Hi everyone, 

I hope you are all well!

I want to leave this discussion to be more with the group for a bit, but just want to highlight a few things:

- Yes, the idea is to use hidden categories, as this is the main way the communities have been using to group files for their GLAM-Wiki projects. See other hidden categories here.
- An important discussion here is to decide whether we should have one single hidden category for the entire thing or divide by region. For example, one hidden category for South America and another hidden category for Africa, both inside another category that could be something along those lines: Category:Files from the Biodiversity Heritage Library by region or Category:Biodiversity Heritage Library SDC project.
- However, looking at the category tree, I know that we usually don't use regions, but rather countries (e.g., Category:Invasive species by country). In this case, we can still use the regional language in the hypothesis, but divide the actual work (and categories) into South American and African countries. Would this be possible considering the tags on Flickr, @Dearborn, JJ? Or is this too much? To have country clarity would, at the end of the line, also help us in terms of searchability/findability for image suggestions on Wikipedia.

Regarding the discussion around SDC and categories, I agree with Sandra that this would be the perfect world. However, as we are not there yet and both SDC and categories are important for searchability, the way we can measure the impact of this work before and after is by using categories. This way, we will add these categories to Commons Impact Metrics and track their usage and views.

About depicts statements, I think we need to understand how to model them, but it will be an important metadata to have as it's one of the main ones used to make images searchable/findable for users (both on MediaSearch and for image suggestions on Wikipedia), which is part of the goal for the Q3 hypothesis. Specific categories are also very useful for this currently, so we might want to consider adding more specific categories too -- even though, yes, SDC only would be ideal.

I hope this makes sense but I'm happy to discuss further -- a lot of food for thought here! 🎉

Best,
Gio

Giovanna Fontenelle (she/her)

Program Officer, Culture and Heritage

Wikimedia Foundation 



On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 5:37 PM Siobhan Leachman <siobhan.leachman@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for this discussion. I very much appreciate Sandra’s expertise on this topic. 

I’m very happy to support any solution that gives Gio the tracking metrics she needs in order to report back to the WMF. Ideally I would prefer a solution that would continue to provide the BHL-Wiki working group with the ability to track the impact of work undertaken after the WMF annual plan has been delivered on. 

I admit that I too prefer the approach of querying structured data for impact metrics but I’m uncertain whether the current modelling of SDC for BHL images has progressed enough to make this possible. What do others think? Ideally I would love a query to be created that would return all the BHL images sourced from publications about South American and African species that have had SDC had added to those images. I envision this query being run at the start of the annual plan goal and again at the finish in order to provide metrics on the increase in the number of images with SDC statements added to them assisting editors to fine and reuse them.

If this isn’t possible then a hidden category seems to me to be an appropriate stop gap solution. However as Sandra points out editing work is likely to have to be undertaken to maintain this category. 

Also thank you to Andy for clarifying that depicts statements may not only or even include the taxon. 

As regards your question JJ about bulk uploading of images relating to South American and African geographies in Flickr but not yet in Wikimedia Commons and adding a hidden metric tracking category at the same time as the upload, I’m assuming this is possible. I have certainly done something similar (although this was a long time ago now) via the Pattypan tool. I’m assuming it should be easy with OpenRefine but I hope Sandra will be able to confirm this also. 

All the best,

Siobhan


On 18 Sep 2024, at 4:48 AM, Dearborn, JJ <DearbornJJ@si.edu> wrote:

I like the idea of a hidden property that we can use to control the metrics. That makes a lot of sense to me. 

Also, agree that SDC should eventually supplant categories. If the desired result is for users to search and find relevant content: I loved this write-up from @George Oates on the topic.

Find* is the keyword here. 😆

I have one additional question that I forgot to ask yesterday regarding our WMF hypothesis tracking:
 
Q: Once I do the data analysis on the images from the Flickr corpus to identify images related to the South American and African geographies, will it be easy to do a bulk update in Commons and apply a hidden metric tracking category to those images?

thanks,
JJ


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If I understand correctly, such a category / categories should serve to track uptake on a very specific set of selected files, right?

I've done metrics with Commons categories a lot. If you need to do metrics on a very specific chosen set, it's important to create a category (usually a hidden category) that is very dedicated to that specific purpose and that community will actually not add to - otherwise it'll skew and falsify your metrics. For instance "Commons upload of Belgian World Museum, November 2024" - and make that a hidden category just for metrics.
It's very helpful if it's just one and not multiple per upload/project, as that just simplifies retrieving the metrics.

On top of that, content-based categories are of course very valuable. If it's useful for this community to have categories related to countries and continents, then it's great to create those. Do keep in mind that maintaining Commons categories requires some effort, actively curating, and every now and then cleaning/recategorizing.

In the bigger picture, I'm one of the people who at some point would like Commons categories to be fully replaced by search and discovery based on structured data. So to me, adding high-quality structured data to files and publications would be the highest priority. It would be great to strive for queries and galleries, as early as possible, saying "give me all the BHL Commons images of mammals from publications related to Brazil" rather than using categories for this. I would like to use the expertise of this group of people to help get us to higher-quality data and better modeling so that this becomes possible.

Curious what others think!
Sandra

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 11:29 PM Siobhan Leachman <siobhan.leachman@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello BHL-Wiki Folks,

Further to our meeting held earlier today, the attendees discussed the WMF Annual Plan - see the meeting agenda. 

One of the action points towards this effort was for me to suggest a Wikimedia Commons category or categories to facilitate the tracking of our efforts towards achieving goals set out the WMF Annual Plan. 

I have come up with the following suggestions but I would like others in the group to weigh in on whether these are fit for purpose.

Firstly, I’m of the opinion that any category created for this effort should be a subcategory under the Category:Files from the Biodiversity Heritage Library. However I can be persuaded otherwise if others have a differing opinion. 

Secondly, I’m leaning towards creating categories that can continue to be used by our community. I believe the proposed categories should be more general so they can be useful for the wiki community going forward.

In light of the above I have come up with the following suggestions:

Category:Biodiversity Heritage Library SDC South America collection and 
Category:Biodiversity Heritage Library SDC Africa collection

I envision images being placed in these categories when they have achieved the minimum level of Structured Data on Commons (SDC) statements attached to the image file. I think the minimum SDC data for images in these categories would have to include “depicts” statements. My reason is that we need depicts statements to achieve the aims of both the WMF Annual Plan as well as the aligned aims of the BHL-Wiki working group. We need to know what the image depicts in order to make the image more findable and reusable in multiple Wikis including various language Wikipedias as well as in Wikidata. Other minimum information would likely include the “required” statements set out in this document https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10rnmAWlreprUTEuJJ0p3uZBJZ6YhO7a3o7K0V198lP8/edit?usp=sharing However, again I’m wanting the community to give their thoughts on this. 

So, what do folk think? Feel free to reach out to me and we will also be discussing this at our next BHL-Wiki meeting on the 21st of October.

All the best,

Siobhan Leachman
User:Ambrosia10
Chair BHL-Wiki working group

On 14 Sep 2024, at 4:22 AM, Dearborn, JJ <DearbornJJ@si.edu> wrote:

Hello BHL-WIKI Folks!
We are getting ready for an action-packed meeting next week!
Here’s a sneak peek at some of the highlights and updates from our agenda.
🔹 SPNHC+TDWG 2024 / IBC 2024 / Wikimania 2024 / NHM Recaps
Check out the amazing scholarly output from this group in the last 2 months.  Kudos to all the collaborators! 
Additionally, many thanks to @Siobhan Leachman who has put together a thorough Conference report for SPNHC TDWG 2024 for those who were not able to attend.
🔹 WikiConNA 2024 Updates
Register and hear about some of the sessions that will be happening at WikiConNA 2024; many, many upcoming talks from BHL-WIKI members will be featured at this event!
🔹 BHL Wikipedian-in-Residence Update
Catch up on the latest on the BHL WiR recruitment process. We are making great headway!
🔹 WMF Annual Plan Update
Learn about BHL-WIKI's hypothesis for the WMF annual plan on standardizing metadata and how it could boost the use of underrepresented biodiversity images. We'd love everyone's input on how to measure and track this outcome.
🔹 BHL Image SDC Data Model
Diving back into the latest on our in-progress data model. Let's discuss outstanding properties and try to solidify some community data model decisions.
🔹 More BHL Project Management Basics
Refine your understanding of research spikes and story points. Don’t forget to review BHL Project Management Basics and the related recording from last month.
We look forward to a productive session with valuable discussions and decisions.  Hope to see you there!
PS: I will be updating our standing series invite with some incoming and outgoing members, please look out for that.

Thanks!
JJ Dearborn
Data Manager, Biodiversity Heritage Library  |
Smithsonian Libraries and Archives
1000 Constitution Ave. NW, Washington, D.C.

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