Hi Analytics,
Are views of republished Wikimedia content, such as on Google and Youtube, something that we could include in addition to Wikimedia pageview statistics? I imagine that this would require cooperation from Alphabet and other companies that reuse Wikimedia content. It would be nice if we could get that cooperation.
Also, Is this republication taken into account in website traffic rankings? My guess is that the answer is no, and that other types of republication such as embedded Youtube videos are not taken into account for their content provider's site rankings, although I think that Youtube would count views of embedded videos in its own statistics of video views. I am thinking that for Youtube and Wikipedia, and other similar sites for which republication or embedding are common, site rankings which are based on pageviews could significantly underestimate the popularity and influence of the sites.
Regards,
The short answer is no. The long answer is that we would like there to be.
I personally think we should evolve our concept of "PageView" to something more like "ContentView", and add properties such as publisher (google, apple, wikimedia, etc.), duration, etc. With our Modern Event Platform initiative, Andrew's building endpoints that 3rd parties could publish events for something like ContentView(s). So theoretically Google could send us a little ping every time someone sees Wikimedia content.
As of now, this is just an idea that some of us on team Analytics feel fond of.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:11 PM Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Analytics,
Are views of republished Wikimedia content, such as on Google and Youtube, something that we could include in addition to Wikimedia pageview statistics? I imagine that this would require cooperation from Alphabet and other companies that reuse Wikimedia content. It would be nice if we could get that cooperation.
Also, Is this republication taken into account in website traffic rankings? My guess is that the answer is no, and that other types of republication such as embedded Youtube videos are not taken into account for their content provider's site rankings, although I think that Youtube would count views of embedded videos in its own statistics of video views. I am thinking that for Youtube and Wikipedia, and other similar sites for which republication or embedding are common, site rankings which are based on pageviews could significantly underestimate the popularity and influence of the sites.
Regards,
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Hi Pine,
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:11 PM Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Analytics,
Are views of republished Wikimedia content, such as on Google and Youtube, something that we could include in addition to Wikimedia pageview statistics? I imagine that this would require cooperation from Alphabet and other companies that reuse Wikimedia content. It would be nice if we could get that cooperation.
This is an interesting idea, and as Dan has mentioned in his response, something that we're generally interested in. Measuring re-use can open up a lot of opportunities for us as a Movement: that the importance of Wikipedia does not end in Wikipedia, that the content and knowledge is presented to different audiences through a variety of channels.
While we may be able to start getting some raw numbers for re-use from specific platforms (through cooperations that you called out or other means), the problem is much more complex than what those raw numbers can show and a part of me is interested to address that more fundamental question and not summarize the value of Wikipedia with direct pageviews. We all know that the value of WP doesn't end in Wikipedia. For example, the exact/rough value of Wikipedia for Knowledge Vault [1] which was/is the underlying mechanism for surfacing search results in Google and other major websites' products is unknown to us. It is easier to measure how many times Wikipedia is directly used in Google Home, Alexa, Google/bing/etc. search, and harder to see the value of Wikipedia for many of the services we enjoy using today on and outside of the Web (including search logic, Google/Yandex/etc. translation machines, many of the advancements in AI and ML fields (NLP field has highly benefited from WP for example and NLP is heavily used across many industries), ...).
From the research perspective, the really interesting and informing
research question is: what is the value of Wikipedia? (both economic and otherwise) across the many languages. It would be great to be able to get to the bottom of this question. If we can measure this, we have opened up a major force to open up more doors for Wikipedia.
Best, Leila
[1] https://storage.googleapis.com/pub-tools-public-publication-data/pdf/45634.p...
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 7:38 PM Leila Zia leila@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Pine,
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:11 PM Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Analytics,
Are views of republished Wikimedia content, such as on Google and
Youtube, something that we could include in addition to Wikimedia pageview statistics? I imagine that this would require cooperation from Alphabet and other companies that reuse Wikimedia content. It would be nice if we could get that cooperation.
This is an interesting idea, and as Dan has mentioned in his response, something that we're generally interested in. Measuring re-use can open up a lot of opportunities for us as a Movement: that the importance of Wikipedia does not end in Wikipedia, that the content and knowledge is presented to different audiences through a variety of channels.
While we may be able to start getting some raw numbers for re-use from specific platforms (through cooperations that you called out or other means), the problem is much more complex than what those raw numbers can show and a part of me is interested to address that more fundamental question and not summarize the value of Wikipedia with direct pageviews. We all know that the value of WP doesn't end in Wikipedia. For example, the exact/rough value of Wikipedia for Knowledge Vault [1] which was/is the underlying mechanism for surfacing search results in Google and other major websites' products is unknown to us. It is easier to measure how many times Wikipedia is directly used in Google Home, Alexa, Google/bing/etc. search, and harder to see the value of Wikipedia for many of the services we enjoy using today on and outside of the Web (including search logic, Google/Yandex/etc. translation machines, many of the advancements in AI and ML fields (NLP field has highly benefited from WP for example and NLP is heavily used across many industries), ...).
From the research perspective, the really interesting and informing research question is: what is the value of Wikipedia? (both economic and otherwise) across the many languages. It would be great to be able to get to the bottom of this question. If we can measure this, we have opened up a major force to open up more doors for Wikipedia.
Best, Leila
[1] https://storage.googleapis.com/pub-tools-public-publication-data/pdf/45634.p...
Hi Leila,
I like how you're thinking about this. I think that Lisa in Fundraising made a public statement along similar lines earlier this year, which went something like "Wikipedia is like a public utility that people take for granted."