---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Strainu strainu10@gmail.com Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Exit stats? To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Does Wikipedia have any exit or click-through stats, like what links are the visitors following from an article? If yes, are those public?
Thanks, Strainu
To my knowledge we don't have that data (although I await being corrected). The only reader activity logs we keep are the RequestLogs, which show us how people come *in* and how they navigate within our ecosystem, but not how people come *out*.
On 23 February 2014 10:35, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Strainu strainu10@gmail.com Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Exit stats? To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Does Wikipedia have any exit or click-through stats, like what links are the visitors following from an article? If yes, are those public?
Thanks, Strainu
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that’s correct: we do have aggregate entry/exit reports based on panel data from comScore for all Wikimedia properties , but no exit data at the individual article/link level. Raw request logs do not include this information and for this data to be captured we would need to add ad-hoc instrumentation in MediaWiki.
Dario
On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
To my knowledge we don't have that data (although I await being corrected). The only reader activity logs we keep are the RequestLogs, which show us how people come in and how they navigate within our ecosystem, but not how people come out.
On 23 February 2014 10:35, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Strainu strainu10@gmail.com Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Exit stats? To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Does Wikipedia have any exit or click-through stats, like what links are the visitors following from an article? If yes, are those public?
Thanks, Strainu
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2014-02-23 22:25 GMT+02:00 Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org:
that’s correct: we do have aggregate entry/exit reports based on panel data from comScore for all Wikimedia properties ,
What does that mean, exactly?
Strainu
On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
To my knowledge we don't have that data (although I await being corrected). The only reader activity logs we keep are the RequestLogs, which show us how people come in and how they navigate within our ecosystem, but not how people come out.
On 23 February 2014 10:35, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Strainu strainu10@gmail.com Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Exit stats? To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Does Wikipedia have any exit or click-through stats, like what links are the visitors following from an article? If yes, are those public?
Thanks, Strainu
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FWIW, I once had some JavaScript added to the common JS script on Commons, collecting anonymized clicks to external links on image pages, in an attempt to give some stats to the GLAM community. That would fire off basic data like time, page, and target URL to a toolserver logging script. Volume was low enough, but I had to turn it off due to privacy paranoia soon after.
Cheers, Magnus
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Dario Taraborelli < dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org> wrote:
that’s correct: we do have aggregate entry/exit reports based on panel data from comScore for all Wikimedia properties , but no exit data at the individual article/link level. Raw request logs do not include this information and for this data to be captured we would need to add ad-hoc instrumentation in MediaWiki.
Dario
On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
To my knowledge we don't have that data (although I await being corrected). The only reader activity logs we keep are the RequestLogs, which show us how people come *in* and how they navigate within our ecosystem, but not how people come *out*.
On 23 February 2014 10:35, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Strainu strainu10@gmail.com Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Exit stats? To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Does Wikipedia have any exit or click-through stats, like what links are the visitors following from an article? If yes, are those public?
Thanks, Strainu
Analytics mailing list Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
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Hi Strainu
that’s correct: we do have aggregate entry/exit reports based on panel data from comScore for all Wikimedia properties ,
What does that mean, exactly?
Strainu
we obtain from comScore on a monthly basis aggregate data on the % of entries by referrer domain (e.g. YouTube -> Wikimedia Sites) and exits by target domain (e.g. Wikimedia Sites -> BBC).
“Panel data” means that this is based on a large pool of users who signed up with comScore to provide browsing statistics and demographic data. This data is then used by comScore to generate controlled estimates of traffic. The alternative to “panel data” is what comScore calls “unified reports”, i.e. an approach that requires enabling beacons or 3rd party trackers on a website: Wikimedia sites don’t do this and therefore we don’t have access to this data.
Dario
Magnus – yes: just to be clear, this is not particularly challenging from a technical standpoint (EventLogging could be used for this purpose) and I also expect the volume of events to be low compared to page impressions, as clicks on external links are in general two steps away from a page visit (scroll to the bottom, click on the link).
The main concern is privacy and data retention, we would not be in a position to pipe this data to an external site, not even labs, and before data of this type can be collected, Legal would need to review the actual specifications, given its sensitivity.
Dario
On Feb 23, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
FWIW, I once had some JavaScript added to the common JS script on Commons, collecting anonymized clicks to external links on image pages, in an attempt to give some stats to the GLAM community. That would fire off basic data like time, page, and target URL to a toolserver logging script. Volume was low enough, but I had to turn it off due to privacy paranoia soon after.
Cheers, Magnus
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org wrote: that’s correct: we do have aggregate entry/exit reports based on panel data from comScore for all Wikimedia properties , but no exit data at the individual article/link level. Raw request logs do not include this information and for this data to be captured we would need to add ad-hoc instrumentation in MediaWiki. Dario
On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
To my knowledge we don't have that data (although I await being corrected). The only reader activity logs we keep are the RequestLogs, which show us how people come in and how they navigate within our ecosystem, but not how people come out.
On 23 February 2014 10:35, Jeremy Baron jeremy@tuxmachine.com wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Strainu strainu10@gmail.com Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Exit stats? To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Does Wikipedia have any exit or click-through stats, like what links are the visitors following from an article? If yes, are those public?
Thanks, Strainu
Analytics mailing list Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
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2014-02-24 18:41 GMT+02:00 Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org:
Hi Strainu
that’s correct: we do have aggregate entry/exit reports based on panel data from comScore for all Wikimedia properties ,
What does that mean, exactly?
Strainu
we obtain from comScore on a monthly basis aggregate data on the % of entries by referrer domain (e.g. YouTube -> Wikimedia Sites) and exits by target domain (e.g. Wikimedia Sites -> BBC).
“Panel data” means that this is based on a large pool of users who signed up with comScore to provide browsing statistics and demographic data. This data is then used by comScore to generate controlled estimates of traffic. The alternative to “panel data” is what comScore calls “unified reports”, i.e. an approach that requires enabling beacons or 3rd party trackers on a website: Wikimedia sites don’t do this and therefore we don’t have access to this data.
Dario
Hi Dario,
Thanks for the clarifications. I was interested in this for reasons similar to Magnus' - I wanted to provide feedback to a certain external content partner as to the effect the inclusion of their content on Wikipedia was having on the visibility of that content (e.g. how many people would see that content, how many would visit the original website etc.)
Local JS code is clearly a no-go because of the community feedback. How could I gather more information than stats.grok.se on that particular group of articles?
Thanks, Strainu