Hi,
Is there any research about the influence of autopromote variables on participation, editor retention, and such things?
I am mainly talking about $wgAutoConfirmAge and $wgAutoConfirmCount.
See the current values at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
These are different in various languages, and they seem rather random to me. The idea is supposed to be to prevent vandalism without hurting wikiness and editor retention, but are the current values based on any analytics?
I went over all the bugs that are mentioned in the file to which I linked above. All of them say "we had a discussion and we reached a consensus". I cannot read all these languages, but my wild guess is that people just threw some numbers around without basing it on analytics, and voted to accept them. The discussion in the English Wikipedia[1] is, non-surprisingly, the longest (47 A4 pages); I didn't read it all, but it doesn't seem to be based on any metrics either.
Anecdotally, I can recall many more times when I, as a Wikipedian, had to explain people that they need to do a few more edits to get a permission to move pages, than I had to revert bad page moves by new editors, so there is a possibility that the autopromote values are not actually very good.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed_Proposal/Poll
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Not to my knowledge, I'm afraid. Others may be aware of research I'm not, however.
On 8 January 2015 at 04:00, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi,
Is there any research about the influence of autopromote variables on participation, editor retention, and such things?
I am mainly talking about $wgAutoConfirmAge and $wgAutoConfirmCount.
See the current values at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
These are different in various languages, and they seem rather random to me. The idea is supposed to be to prevent vandalism without hurting wikiness and editor retention, but are the current values based on any analytics?
I went over all the bugs that are mentioned in the file to which I linked above. All of them say "we had a discussion and we reached a consensus". I cannot read all these languages, but my wild guess is that people just threw some numbers around without basing it on analytics, and voted to accept them. The discussion in the English Wikipedia[1] is, non-surprisingly, the longest (47 A4 pages); I didn't read it all, but it doesn't seem to be based on any metrics either.
Anecdotally, I can recall many more times when I, as a Wikipedian, had to explain people that they need to do a few more edits to get a permission to move pages, than I had to revert bad page moves by new editors, so there is a possibility that the autopromote values are not actually very good.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed_Proposal/Poll
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
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Amir, this is a great! suggestion. Configuration is a data source we have not considered for analysis yet, you have my support but will have to convince Kevin of the priority / importance.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Not to my knowledge, I'm afraid. Others may be aware of research I'm not, however.
On 8 January 2015 at 04:00, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi,
Is there any research about the influence of autopromote variables on participation, editor retention, and such things?
I am mainly talking about $wgAutoConfirmAge and $wgAutoConfirmCount.
See the current values at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
These are different in various languages, and they seem rather random to
me.
The idea is supposed to be to prevent vandalism without hurting wikiness
and
editor retention, but are the current values based on any analytics?
I went over all the bugs that are mentioned in the file to which I linked above. All of them say "we had a discussion and we reached a consensus".
I
cannot read all these languages, but my wild guess is that people just
threw
some numbers around without basing it on analytics, and voted to accept them. The discussion in the English Wikipedia[1] is, non-surprisingly,
the
longest (47 A4 pages); I didn't read it all, but it doesn't seem to be
based
on any metrics either.
Anecdotally, I can recall many more times when I, as a Wikipedian, had to explain people that they need to do a few more edits to get a permission
to
move pages, than I had to revert bad page moves by new editors, so there
is
a possibility that the autopromote values are not actually very good.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed_Proposal/Poll
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Analytics mailing list Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
-- Oliver Keyes Research Analyst Wikimedia Foundation
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Cool :)
I made a task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86189
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2015-01-08 17:23 GMT+02:00 Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org:
Amir, this is a great! suggestion. Configuration is a data source we have not considered for analysis yet, you have my support but will have to convince Kevin of the priority / importance.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Not to my knowledge, I'm afraid. Others may be aware of research I'm not, however.
On 8 January 2015 at 04:00, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi,
Is there any research about the influence of autopromote variables on participation, editor retention, and such things?
I am mainly talking about $wgAutoConfirmAge and $wgAutoConfirmCount.
See the current values at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
These are different in various languages, and they seem rather random
to me.
The idea is supposed to be to prevent vandalism without hurting
wikiness and
editor retention, but are the current values based on any analytics?
I went over all the bugs that are mentioned in the file to which I
linked
above. All of them say "we had a discussion and we reached a
consensus". I
cannot read all these languages, but my wild guess is that people just
threw
some numbers around without basing it on analytics, and voted to accept them. The discussion in the English Wikipedia[1] is, non-surprisingly,
the
longest (47 A4 pages); I didn't read it all, but it doesn't seem to be
based
on any metrics either.
Anecdotally, I can recall many more times when I, as a Wikipedian, had
to
explain people that they need to do a few more edits to get a
permission to
move pages, than I had to revert bad page moves by new editors, so
there is
a possibility that the autopromote values are not actually very good.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed_Proposal/Poll
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Analytics mailing list Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
-- Oliver Keyes Research Analyst Wikimedia Foundation
Analytics mailing list Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
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