My thought was that /analytics could grow into having edit stats, other research datasets, and whatever we see fit to add there.  Over my years here this website remains the main place people come to get bulk data from us, so why keep trying to pull them into other places.  We can just bring the data to them :)

I have been accused of over-generalizing but in this case /analytics is a clear simple improvement over /other and we already have more than just traffic or pageview data we can link and explain from there.

And if the concern is that the page will get too complicated once we start adding all kinds of data, then I'd say that's a challenge we can deal with when it happens, but looking forward I think forking into /analytics/traffic and /analytics/edits would be a reasonable solution, and compatible with this first step.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Erik Zachte <ezachte@wikimedia.org> wrote:

or maybe dumps.wikimedia.org/traffic?

 

I hope someday we will (again) have edit stats similar to the views stats we now have (geo breakdown etc).

 

Erik

 

From: Analytics [mailto:analytics-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Halfaker
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Subject: Re: [Analytics] [Pageviews] [Technical] Simplifying the available static dumps of pageview data

 

dumps.wikimedia.org/analytics

 

Does "analytics" mean anything in this context?  Why not aim for something like dumps.wikimedia.org/views?  

-Aaron

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes@wikimedia.org> wrote:

It's also the International Day of Women and Girls in Science!

Sounds like a good summary.


On 11 February 2016 at 07:31, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> I almost revived this thread on Mardi Gras, but I didn't want to be known as
> The Holiday Crusher so I waited.  Today is relatively safe [1] :)
>
> Ok, there are three main points being made:
>
> 1. deprecating the old datasets
> 2. liberating ourselves from the old format
> 3. reorganizing the dumps page
>
> My thoughts on each:
>
> 1. I agree with Dario and Erik's points.  Let's keep the old files around,
> but stop generating new files in May 2016.  To explain this, we'll make a
> new section called "Deprecated" and put links to the pagecounts-* datasets
> there.
>
> 2. I wasn't expecting to talk about format, but it makes sense because, for
> example, Erik's dataset is just a pivoted format.  So, we could have a
> section for the Pageview datasets, with links for each format we already
> have: Domasz archive format, Erik Z compressed format.  We could then add a
> new format that's easier to understand and could even include some of the
> data we expose via the pageview API.  But from an organizational point of
> view, treating "format" as a separate concept from "dataset" will be an
> improvement.
>
> 3. I think it's time we had our own page instead of just being under
> dumps.wikimedia.org/other.  Let's have dumps.wikimedia.org/analytics and
> link to it from both the main dumps page and /other.  The separation will
> make it easier to reference other places we have data static file dumps,
> like datasets.wikimedia.org.  And it'll also make it easier to add links and
> references to how this work is being done and where people can interact with
> us or help us.
>
>
> I hope I captured what everyone was saying.  If there aren't any objections,
> I'll send a list of next steps needed to accomplish this, and get to work :)
>
>
>
> [1] Today is Be Electrific Day, Get Out Your Guitar Day, Grandmother
> Achievement Day, National Don't Cry Over Spilled Milk Day, National
> Inventors' Day, National Make a Friend Day, National Peppermint Patty Day,
> National Shut-in Visitation Day, Pro Sports Wives Day, Promise Day,
> Satisfied Staying Single Day, White Shirt Day
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Dario Taraborelli
> <dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>> Erik's proposal sounds very reasonable.
>>
>> There might be some confusion about what we mean by "keeping the old
>> datasets for longitudinal analysis". No one is planning to remove the old
>> static dumps, just stop generating them/maintaining them going forward.
>>
>> I also want to echo Nuria regarding the human cost of maintaining multiple
>> definitions. I just finished preparing a response to a reporter who was
>> asking about project-level mobile PV data and I was not immediately able to
>> answer if a specific data source I wanted to cite was using the old or new
>> definition (until I talked to Dan and we looked up together a gerrit patch).
>>
>> How do people feel about turning off the generation of old dumps by May
>> 2016, i.e. one year after having the two series of data available in
>> parallel?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Nuria Ruiz <nuria@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >As I just mentioned to Dan in a private email conversation, keeping
>>> > datasets even with imperfect measurements is important. Particularly for
>>> > longitudinal analysis.
>>> Have in mind that maintaining these old dumps is not "free", it causes a
>>> lot of confusion and maintenance costs to have several pageview definitions
>>> around. We get a lot of questions about spiky-ness of old definition and we
>>> need to maintain software that generates the old files thus, we think is
>>> reasonable to ask our users to transition to the new definition and
>>> eventually (in a period of months) turn off the old dumps.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Maurice Vergeer <m.vergeer@maw.ru.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> As I just mentioned to Dan in a private email conversation, keeping
>>>> datasets even with imperfect measurements is important. Particularly for
>>>> longitudinal analysis.
>>>>
>>>> Also, from what I understand - me being a newby here - is that the data
>>>> are stored in separate files. Dan suggested reordering the page into
>>>> categories. Maybe, another option is to create more extensive datasets with
>>>> more different measurements in a single datafile. On the other hand, the
>>>> files would become even bigger in size. Not an issue for mee, but for users
>>>> in the field accesibility (dowlnload bandwidth) could become an issue.
>>>>
>>>> my two cents
>>>> Maurice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Alex Druk <alex.druk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing against this approach!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Dan Andreescu
>>>>> <dandreescu@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Alex Druk <alex.druk@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Dan,
>>>>>>> Happy holidays!
>>>>>>> Good idea to combine these datasets! However we have one more dataset
>>>>>>> by Erik Zachte : http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-ez/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that's an important one!  But I was thinking we could re-organize
>>>>>> the page into categories.  Erik's dataset could go into a "processed data"
>>>>>> category or something like that.  The three I wanted to talk about on this
>>>>>> thread are just the raw data.
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