Anyone know what happened here?
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Kenan Wang <kwang(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Looking at this one:
http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/edits-monthly-successful
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Dario Taraborelli <
dtaraborelli(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Kenan – can you give me a pointer to the graph you are referring to
> and confirm what data source you are using? If you’re relying on
> EventLogging data (MobileWebEditing) the log is not affected by reverts or
> page deletions.
>
> On Dec 2, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Arthur Richards <arichards(a)wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> +analytics
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jon Robson <jrobson(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:
>
>> Several theories:
>> 1) I guess this now reflects reversions/deletions of edits?
>> 2) We purge data collected before a certain date
>>
>> I suspect the former?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Kenan Wang <kwang(a)wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Hey everyone. The monthly successful edits graph no longer reflects
>> a drop
>> > in edits between August and September...
>> >
>> > Is it possible that we had data issues before that were causing us
>> to see an
>> > issue that wasn't there?
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > Is there some sort of data issue now that is causing us to be
>> missing data
>> > that we used to be able to see?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Arthur Richards <
>> arichards(a)wikimedia.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I guess it's tough to draw a baseline considering we only have a
>> couple
>> >> months worth of data - but perhaps a good metric for our goal is
>> returning
>> >> to or exceeding our peak?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Kenan Wang <kwang(a)wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks to Juliusz we now have a graph of mobile editors that
>> became
>> >>> active editors. We can see a drop in the number of editors that
>> became
>> >>> active:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/edits-monthly-5plus-editors
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Kenan Wang
<kwang(a)wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Well, looks like IndiaSummer95 got blocked today... but
I've
>> reached out
>> >>>> to Nick1372 and KurtWags3 via their user talk pages.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Jon Robson <
>> jrobson(a)wikimedia.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I hope this is not too stalker-y but I think it is
interesting.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I looked briefly at the top 5 editors for both August [A]
and
>> >>>>> September [B], the most prolific editor
"Indiasummer95", 520
>> days
>> >>>>> registered, [1] made 2908 edits in August but only 694 in
>> September.
>> >>>>> The second most profilic editor "La Avatar Korra",
registered
>> for 88
>> >>>>> days [2] in September made 954 edits in August but only 379
in
>> >>>>> September. Number 3, Nick1372, member for 306d days [3] had
762
>> edits
>> >>>>> in August but only 445 in September, #4 was 이민혁, registered
for
>> 70
>> >>>>> days, [4] (558 rising to 623), and #5 KurtWags3, registered
for
>> 84
>> >>>>> days [5] (520 dropping to 102)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Out of these Indiasummer95 was the most interesting so I
looked
>> at the
>> >>>>> edits per page for August [C]:
>> >>>>> Tell_Mama_UK 66
>> >>>>> Abel_Xavier 60
>> >>>>> Melilla 56
>> >>>>> Vitória_S.C. 44
>> >>>>> History_of_Roman_Catholicism_in_Portugal 40
>> >>>>> Knattspyrnufélag_Reykjavíkur 40
>> >>>>> Robot_Wars_(TV_series) 38
>> >>>>> F.C._Paços_de_Ferreira 32
>> >>>>> Symbols_of_Portugal 32
>> >>>>> Politics_of_Toledo_(Spain) 32
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The same in September [D]:
>> >>>>> Alfonso_I_of_Asturias 21
>> >>>>> Indiasummer95 13
>> >>>>> Vitālijs_Astafjevs 12
>> >>>>> A.C._Perugia_Calcio 10
>> >>>>> Morangos_com_Açúcar 9
>> >>>>> Azad_Ali 9
>> >>>>> Million_Muslim_March 8
>> >>>>> Islam_in_the_Czech_Republic 7
>> >>>>> Szilárd_Németh 7
>> >>>>> Matteo_Ferrari 6
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Inspecting closing on the dates of his/her edits to
>> Tell_Mama_UK (page
>> >>>>> id 39683645) [E]
>> >>>>> 2013-08-11 4
>> >>>>> 2013-08-15 56
>> >>>>> 2013-08-16 6
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> However if I look at the history page I don't see 56
edits from
>> >>>>> him/her on that page (I count 36 total on the entire page):
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tell_Mama_UK&action=history
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So.. that makes me wonder...
>> >>>>> 1) was something broken around 15th August in EventLogging
-
>> were we
>> >>>>> reporting successes that weren't and thus the data is
skewed
>> (e.g.
>> >>>>> AbuseFilter related) ? Is there a logical explanation for
this
>> or is
>> >>>>> something indeed weird - can anyone suggest a reason?
>> >>>>> 2) Is this people getting used to the editor/wikitext -
making
>> lots of
>> >>>>> mistakes early on and then getting better at using it?
>> >>>>> 3) Is it indeed seasonal / people getting bored after
initial
>> >>>>> excitement of editing?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [1]
>> >>>>>
>>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserProfile/Indiasummer95?mobileact…
>> >>>>> [2]
>> >>>>>
>>
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserProfile/La%20Avatar%20Korra?mob…
>> >>>>> [3]
>> >>>>>
>>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserProfile/Nick1372?mobileaction=b…
>> >>>>> [4]
>> >>>>>
https://ko.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/특수기능:UserProfile/
>> 이민혁?mobileaction=beta
>> >>>>> [5]
>> >>>>>
>>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserProfile/KurtWags3?mobileaction=…
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [A] SELECT event_username, count(*) from
>> MobileWebEditing_5644223
>> >>>>> where event_action = 'success' and timestamp LIKE
'201308%'
>> group by
>> >>>>> event_username
>> >>>>> [B] SELECT event_username, count(*) from
>> MobileWebEditing_5644223
>> >>>>> where event_action = 'success' and timestamp LIKE
'201309%'
>> group by
>> >>>>> event_username
>> >>>>> [C] SELECT enwiki.page.page_title, count(*) from
>> >>>>> MobileWebEditing_5644223 INNER JOIN enwiki.page on
>> enwiki.page.page_id
>> >>>>> = event_pageId where wiki = 'enwiki' and
event_action =
>> 'success' and
>> >>>>> event_userName = 'Indiasummer95' and timestamp LIKE
'201308%'
>> group by
>> >>>>> event_pageId
>> >>>>> [D] SELECT enwiki.page.page_title, count(*) from
>> >>>>> MobileWebEditing_5644223 INNER JOIN enwiki.page on
>> enwiki.page.page_id
>> >>>>> = event_pageId where wiki = 'enwiki' and
event_action =
>> 'success' and
>> >>>>> event_userName = 'Indiasummer95' and timestamp LIKE
'201309%'
>> group by
>> >>>>> event_pageId
>> >>>>> [E] SELECT DATE(timestamp), count(*) from
>> MobileWebEditing_5644223
>> >>>>> where wiki = 'enwiki' and event_action =
'success' and
>> event_userName
>> >>>>> = 'Indiasummer95' and timestamp LIKE
'201308%' and event_pageId
>> =
>> >>>>> 39683645 group by DATE(timestamp)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Kenan Wang
<kwang(a)wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> > I'll try to block out some time to look at creating
those two
>> graphs
>> >>>>> > tomorrow. Let me know if you want to help.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Kenan Wang <
>> kwang(a)wikimedia.org>
>> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Adding Dario to this thread.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> So the main question is why is the number of edits
going
>> down from
>> >>>>> >> august
>> >>>>> >> to september while the number of unique editors is
going up?
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Few theories:
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> 1) Problem with data - seems unlikely per Jon's
analysis.
>> Also, both
>> >>>>> >> numbers come from the same data source.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> 2) Change in the makeup of editors - not conclusive
from the
>> data
>> >>>>> >> but it
>> >>>>> >> seems that the number of edits from new editors
and
>> experienced
>> >>>>> >> editors are
>> >>>>> >> following the same general pattern.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> 3) Change in edits per session - no analysis done
towards
>> this yet.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> I'd like to take a look at:
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> 1) a daily graph over the same two month period on
unique
>> daily
>> >>>>> >> editors
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> 2) a daily graph of edits per session over the
same two
>> month
>> >>>>> >> period
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Few things to keep in mind:
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> -It seems that there is not a seasonality
difference in
>> desktop
>> >>>>> >> edits, but
>> >>>>> >> as pointed out by Steven Walling it's not
necessarily true
>> that
>> >>>>> >> desktop
>> >>>>> >> edits and mobile edits will follow the same
seasonality
>> patterns.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> -Seasonality also wouldn't account for the skew
between
>> unique
>> >>>>> >> editors and
>> >>>>> >> raw edits.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> -This effect seems fairly centered on enwiki,
however mobile
>> captcha
>> >>>>> >> support was introduced and may affect numbers for
other
>> projects in
>> >>>>> >> some off
>> >>>>> >> setting fashion
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> -The spike in number of edits occurs roughly
between Aug 12
>> - 30,
>> >>>>> >> particularly 23-30. In that time section level
editing was
>> >>>>> >> introduced on
>> >>>>> >> August 27.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Jon Robson <
>> jrobson(a)wikimedia.org>
>> >>>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> If you look at my graphs this theory
doesn't seem to
>> hold....
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> On 9 Oct 2013 12:24, "Tomasz Finc"
<tfinc(a)wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Maryana
Pinchuk
>> >>>>> >>>> <mpinchuk(a)wikimedia.org>
>> >>>>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>>> > One theory: most of our enwiki power
users tried mobile
>> editing
>> >>>>> >>>> > early
>> >>>>> >>>> > on and
>> >>>>> >>>> > made their customarily high number of
edits per session
>> in
>> >>>>> >>>> > August, but
>> >>>>> >>>> > they
>> >>>>> >>>> > weren't retained on mobile and
didn't stick around
>> through
>> >>>>> >>>> > September.
>> >>>>> >>>> > Meanwhile, new users continue to flood
in, but they only
>> make an
>> >>>>> >>>> > edit
>> >>>>> >>>> > or two
>> >>>>> >>>> > and leave. If this is the case, it
makes a strong
>> argument for
>> >>>>> >>>> > working
>> >>>>> >>>> > on
>> >>>>> >>>> > things like mobile
GettingStarted/KeepGoing to bump up
>> early
>> >>>>> >>>> > engagement for
>> >>>>> >>>> > newbies, and article histories/contrib
views and other
>> power
>> >>>>> >>>> > user
>> >>>>> >>>> > features
>> >>>>> >>>> > for oldbies :)
>> >>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>> >>>> This could be an interesting theory. Kenan,
what do you
>> think
>> >>>>> >>>> about
>> >>>>> >>>> reaching out to a handful of those editors
that dropped
>> and ask
>> >>>>> >>>> them
>> >>>>> >>>> why?
>> >>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>> >>>> --tomasz
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> --
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Kenan Wang
>> >>>>> >> Product Manager, Mobile
>> >>>>> >> Wikimedia Foundation
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > --
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Kenan Wang
>> >>>>> > Product Manager, Mobile
>> >>>>> > Wikimedia Foundation
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kenan Wang
>> >>>> Product Manager, Mobile
>> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> Kenan Wang
>> >>> Product Manager, Mobile
>> >>> Wikimedia Foundation
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Arthur Richards
>> >> Software Engineer, Mobile
>> >> [[User:Awjrichards]]
>> >> IRC: awjr
>> >> +1-415-839-6885 x6687
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Kenan Wang
>> > Product Manager, Mobile
>> > Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>
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