suggests that WMF Product "Add an indicator of quality icon (akin to the
signal strength icon for mobile networks) on each article, based on
research and analysis on article contributions and edits." This is similar
to what I have in mind for talk pages with ORES scores. Adding indicators
to the front page of articles would likely require an RfC which may be more
involved than an RfB to add the score to talk pages. Still, I can see how
having an ORES score, or the Wikipedia Quality score (at least on ENWP)
indicated by an icon at the top of article pages would be useful,
especially if readers can intuitively understand what the indicator is
telling them without needing to look at documentation.
I think it might be best to start with ORES scores on talk pages. That
fills the need that I have in mind. If someone wants to extend this to
having article quality indicators on the front page of articles, I'd be
happy to collaborate with them.
Pine
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks. I will add this to my agenda for later this
year.
Pine
On Aug 16, 2016 01:48, "Amir Ladsgroup" <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, Sorry I missed the question. Yes, it's fairly easy :)
>
> Best
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:15 PM Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pinging again to repeat my question from my previous email.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Pine
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016 16:04, "Pine W" <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to work on this if I had the time to learn and to do it. Maybe
>>> I will in early September or sometime later this year. I've put it on my
to
>>> do list. This would be my first bot; do you think that it's a good
project
>>> for a newbie bot builder?
>>>
>>> Pine
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Building that is easy, you just need someone to add these
>>>> functionalities to the templates and a bot to run it for the first time.
>>>>
>>>> Any volunteers?
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:37 PM Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Amir,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that I'm following better now.
>>>>>
>>>>> The extension option doesn't sound workable for what I have in
mind.
>>>>> I'd like the score to be visible without needing to be logged in,
which I
>>>>> believe means that the feature can't be conditional on having
access to
>>>>> beta features.
>>>>>
>>>>> The solution to click on a talk page link for an updated score
sounds
>>>>> more workable. It would be best if the score refreshed automatically
every
>>>>> time someone viewed the talk page for the purpose that I have in
mind, but
>>>>> I don't know what kind of performance penalty and computing
resources that
>>>>> would require. If either of those are nontrivial, then having a
template on
>>>>> the talk page that says something like "Score last refreshed on
TIME DATE.
>>>>> There have been X revisions since that time. Click here to update
the
>>>>> score" would be good for the use case that I have in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pine
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Amir Ladsgroup
<ladsgroup(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 8:16 AM Pine W
<wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Amir,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for waiting. As I understand it, we have these options
for
>>>>>>> making the ORES scores visible on article talk pages:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. A gadget
>>>>>>> 2. An addition to the ORES extension
>>>>>>> 3. A bot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WP:WPP refers to WikiProject Philosophy; did you man
something else
>>>>>>> or am I misunderstanding the abbreviation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My bad, I meant something like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>>>>> Template:WikiProject_Physics
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thinking that a gadget might be a workable solution,
but my
>>>>>>> preference would be to have the score displayed on all
article talk pages
>>>>>>> automatically for everyone to see including readers who are
not logged in.
>>>>>>> A bot that posted scores to talk pages and updated the scores
on a weekly
>>>>>>> basis would be good for that purpose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both are possible solutions but as for bots. Updating the
score for
>>>>>> all articles of a wikiproject (e.g. Wikiproject medicine has 35K
articles)
>>>>>> on weekly basis is not efficient. That bot needs to do 35K edits
every week
>>>>>> and it might make some people mad. We can have an initial release
and
>>>>>> update it on demand (like adding a link to the score in the
template. If
>>>>>> someone wants that score gets updated. Just clicks on the link
and the bot
>>>>>> update it)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm unclear on how an addition to the ORES extension
would work;
>>>>>>> can you explain further what that option would involve?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adding it to the ores extension will make things much easier.
You
>>>>>> just need to enable it in your beta features and then in the talk
page or
>>>>>> action=info you will see the score. Implementing it is difficult
due to
>>>>>> storage issues for the database and we might need to get
operations
>>>>>> approval before continuing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Pine W
<wiki.pine(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Amir,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for getting back to me. My mind is a little full
at the
>>>>>>>> moment, and I have some deadlines this week, so it may
take me a little
>>>>>>>> while to get back to you. But I'm flagging this
conversation for follow up,
>>>>>>>> hopefully by the end of this week or early next week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your patience,
>>>>>>>> Pine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:59 PM, Amir Ladsgroup <
>>>>>>>> ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>> ORES has "article quality" models for
English, Russian and French
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia. There is a very short introduction in
ORES
>>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Objective_Revision_Evaluation_Service#Article_quality_models>
>>>>>>>>> description page.
>>>>>>>>> But if I want to explain it my way. It'll give
you a prediction
>>>>>>>>> of class of the article (A, B, C, FA, GA, stub,
start) for a given
>>>>>>>>> revision. For example for this revision
>>>>>>>>>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alan_Turing&oldid=730400015> ORES
>>>>>>>>> predicts
>>>>>>>>>
<https://ores.wikimedia.org/v2/scores/enwiki/?models=wp10&revids=730400015>
>>>>>>>>> that it's GA (which it is).
>>>>>>>>> The biggest use case for now is that people produce
reports of
>>>>>>>>> articles needing re
>>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Revision_scoring_as_a_service/Stories#Updating_WikiProject_Medicine_article_assessments>
>>>>>>>>> assessment
>>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Revision_scoring_as_a_service/Stories#Updating_WikiProject_Medicine_article_assessments>
for
>>>>>>>>> wikiprojects
>>>>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Revision_scoring_as_a_service/Stories#Updating_WikiProject_Medicine_article_assessments>.
>>>>>>>>> The other use case is list of popular articles that
ORES thinks
>>>>>>>>> their quality is low
>>>>>>>>>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DataflowBot/output/Popular_low_quality_articles_(id-2)>
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your use case about ORES prediction is valid the
second part is a
>>>>>>>>> little bit complicated though. For the first part, we
have either option of
>>>>>>>>> a gadget or adding it to the ORES extension. If
it's very important to let
>>>>>>>>> everyone see the scores, we can write a bot to update
reports weekly in
>>>>>>>>> English Wikipedia for articles in a certain
Wikiproject and we use these
>>>>>>>>> data in the WPP templates. Which one do you think
suits English Wikipedia
>>>>>>>>> better?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:57 AM Pine W
<wiki.pine(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi artificial intelligence people,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are there baseline ORES scores available for
articles? If so,
>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking that it would be interesting to
have the option to add a
>>>>>>>>>> template to an article's talk page that shows
its ORES score as well as its
>>>>>>>>>> ORES percentile rank on a particular wiki.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pine
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