Hi Daniel, Do you think this should be compensatory or they indeed meet our notability guidelines?. For example, if they meet the English Wikipedia notability guideline, someone with no conflict of interest who think they are notable will probably write about them there. This does not implies that you have a conflict of interest but I don't think this is something you should start a thread about. They were engaged by WMF to produce the video and I think they were paid for their services. Even if it was done free of charge, they would merit a page on Wikipedia only if they pass the notability guideline. Feel free to write about them on any Wikipedia of your choice if you are sure they meet the notability criteria. Regards, Isaac On Oct 1, 2017 2:07 AM, "OneMore Daniel" <danencyclopedia(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-ng mailing list Wikimedia-ng(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ng

Am I missing something …? Is this not the video that the Wikimedia Foundation created for visibility in Nigeria? It is great that it is receiving some visibility … but the way it is presented here looks like they made it (perhaps they were involved in the making - I can see that Emmanuella is the actress, yes?). However, they have put forward this version as a standard YouTube license and I imagine it was released under CC-BY-SA license as per usual … Perhaps the WMF should have a word ? On 01 Oct 2017, at 12:36 PM, alimi eyitayo <alimieyitayo(a)gmail.com> wrote: +1 wikiology On Oct 1, 2017 4:17 AM, "Isaac Olatunde" <reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com> wrote: African-Wikimedians mailing list African-Wikimedians(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/african-wikimedians *Isla Haddow-Flood* Co-project Director Username: Islahaddow _______________________________________________ African-Wikimedians mailing list African-Wikimedians(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/african-wikimedians

Thanks Asaf! On 02 Oct 2017, at 9:53 AM, Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: I am not sure whether or not Anne and Zach are on this list, so I'm CCing them explicitly so that they can shed light. A. On Oct 2, 2017 10:50, "Isla Haddow Flood" <isla(a)wikiloveswomen.org> wrote: African-Wikimedians mailing list African-Wikimedians(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/african-wikimedians *Isla Haddow-Flood* Co-project Director Username: Islahaddow

Hey Zack, Thanks for the clarity … that completely makes sense - I don’t think that anyone has a problem with them being paid to do an excellent job (at least, I don’t) - I was just wondering about the licensing on their release of the video. Perhaps you could ask them to change it, unless it is not what they agreed to? And if they are claiming the video, they should mention that they were commissioned by the Wikimedia Foundation or whoever to do it. That would tick all the attribution boxes, and keep with the licensing, yes? With regards to whether that makes them notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, then that is for the Nigerian community to decide. But it should be because they are notable in their own right, and not because they did a Wikipedia video. Thanks again Isla On 02 Oct 2017, at 6:31 PM, Zachary McCune &lt;zmccune(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: Hi everyone - Asaf, cheers for adding me here. If the question is "was Mark Angel Comedy paid to make this video" the answer is yes. They took a heavily discounted fee to concept, produce, act, edit, and help distribute this video. This was managed with our creative production partner in Lagos, an agency called Anakle. The project history, participants, and further details are collected on Meta-Wiki here <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_Readers/Raising_Awareness_in_Nigeria> . Actor Peter Edochie, who appears in the other video skit was also compensated for his work. Again, he selected a highly discounted fee. Overall, the production team on this project was very grateful for both Mark Angel Comedy and Peter Edochie taking this project on. They are often asked to do product or brand endorsements and decline, because they feel the products/services do not align with their interests or beliefs. Wikimedia was different- they were very excited to be part of this project, and help advance access to knowledge. Thanks, - Zack On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Isla Haddow Flood &lt;isla(a)wikiloveswomen.org -- Zachary McCune Global Audiences Wikimedia Foundation zmccune(a)wikimedia.org *Isla Haddow-Flood* Co-project Director Username: Islahaddow

On 02 Oct 2017, at 6:59 PM, Florence Devouard &lt;anthere(a)anthere.org&gt; wrote: Le 02/10/2017 à 18:52, Isla Haddow Flood a écrit : One correction. It is not for the Nigerian community to decide. It is for the Wikipedia community to do so. Florence

True Flo, but if they are important and notable within Nigeria, then that would allow for some weight behind them being notable to the community …? If they are just minor Nigerian celebrities, then not. *Isla Haddow-Flood* Co-project Director Username: Islahaddow

Neither the "Wikipedia community " nor the "Nigerian community" is to decide whether they merit a Wikipedia page or not. One does not become a subject of a Wikipedia article by creating a video for WMF. If they had been the subject of multiple independent reliable sources, someone with no conflict of interest will probably write about them and this has nothing to do with the Wikipedia community or the Nigerian community. This is a commissioned work and accordingly to Nigerian copyright law, the copyright of the work does not belong to the WMF but the creator of the work. Unless there is a contract agreement between Mark Angels and the WMF to release the work under a free license, I doubt they will change the license. I'll like to hear from Zack if such agreement exist. Regards, Isaac On Oct 2, 2017 5:59 PM, "Florence Devouard" &lt;anthere(a)anthere.org&gt; wrote:

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 8:31 PM Isaac Olatunde &lt;reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: That's rather pointlessly argumentative, Isaac, and I am responding just to set the record straight for anyone reading with less experience who might be getting the wrong idea: that "someone" you mention who could write an article if there are good sources *would* be from the Wikipedia community, and that is what Florence meant. It *is* accurate to say that the notability would be determined by the community. It is also true that the determining of notability would not necessarily happen now: it happens when someone decides the topic is notable and writes about it, and again whenever someone else decides to content the notability and start a discussion. But until someone decides the topic is notable and writes an article, the question is undecided. A.