On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 1:40 PM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
hi rex,
the most important question of gabe was "I hope that he will be willing to
go through a bit of online training to help him avoid such issues in the
future - advice, emails, chat sessions, etc.". he is _you_ and you might
consider say "yes". at least in switzerland, saying nothing means no - not
sure if you ment it like this. imo we d need experts in different regions -
and i know currently nobody really good at it in ghana, nor at the africa
center.
best,
rupert.
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexford(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> @Gabriel
>
> Worth pointing out. I was a Wikipedian in Residence for the year, 2014:
> January 2014 to December 2014
>
> I am no longer a Wikipedian in Residence nor live I'm Capetown
> On Apr 3, 2015 9:49 PM, "Gabriel Thullen" <gabriel(a)thullen.com>
wrote:
>
>> As some of you may know, I am a school teacher IRL and I do Wikipedia
>> editing with my students. So maybe we ought to take this as a training
>> experience for all those involved, both Rexford and the editor who blocked
>> him.
>> For this to work, all have to agree to learn new ways of dealing with
>> these situations. Rexford says hes is a Wikipedian in Residence at the
>> Africa Centre in Cape Town. Then I suppose it would be best for him to get
>> the edit block lifted, and I am sure we can help him with that. I hope that
>> he will be willing to go through a bit of online training to help him avoid
>> such issues in the future - advice, emails, chat sessions, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 9:03 PM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com
>>
wrote:
>>
>>> gabe, i put a message on rex's talk page. asaf, i am always
>>> appreciating unconditional help :) to me copyright violations and blocking
>>> are separate topics. a block is justified for somebody stubbornly doing
>>> things again. if rex copied over texts 2012, than it is just bullshit to
>>> block him 2015. i mean which world are we living in?
>>>
>>> rex copied over text, and added a reference where he got it from. he
>>> saved the time to write it himself. this was allowed in germany until 150
>>> years ago and made it prosperous. i had to have not only one conversation
>>> with real people, experts, until i could make a distinction that copying a
>>> cc0 licensed text is ok, while copying a company or persons website text is
>>> not ok. even if i put a note where i got the text from. and even if i know
>>> the person does not care or even more so, appreciates it.
>>>
>>> i d guess a couple of chats with rex should solve comprehension issues
>>> same way we all walked through when touching wikipedia. i fully with
>>> douglas here.
>>>
>>> rupert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Before I could offer what meager help I can, I'd like to have the
>>>> facts before us. Rex, it is a puzzling choice by you to evade the
simple
>>>> question of whether you, to your knowledge, violated copyright. It
would
>>>> help if you could offer an explanation.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> A.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Gabriel Thullen
<gabriel(a)thullen.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, you are right about the criteria.
>>>>> But...
>>>>> The way I see things, certain rules should be open to
interpretation.
>>>>> I am suggesting that a clean start may be the best way to deal with
this
>>>>> situation, under the condition that our friend spends 6 months or so
>>>>> learning the ropes. The criteria is intended to prevent edit war
>>>>> specialists from creating new accounts as soon as their current one
is
>>>>> blocked. I really do not think that this is the case here.
>>>>>
>>>>> 24.130.172.5 was hounded by an IP (24.130.172.5) who started
>>>>> contributing on Febuary 10th 2015 with a surprisingly good knowledge
of how
>>>>> Wikipedia works. I do not like that type of anonymous contributor at
all.
>>>>> If you know how to contribute, you use your account. Anyway, this IP
did
>>>>> declare (
>>>>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noti…
>>>>> ):
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *I definitely made the mistake of using the speedy deletion banner
>>>>> when not 100% of the current article was copied. My analysis was that
the
>>>>> articles started with copyrighted content and therefore it would just
be
>>>>> better to restart with a clean slate. I won't make this
assumption in the
>>>>> future. Spearmind saw me concentrate on Ghana articles (as said
that's
>>>>> because I was reviewing article creations by Nkansahrexford who
>>>>> concentrates on Ghana) and assumed that I was on a mission to delete
>>>>> articles about Ghana. What I deplore is Spearmind's attitude on
his talk
>>>>> page. I tried to establish a dialog and asked him to use the talk
pages
>>>>> instead of just removing banners but he would not listen and became
>>>>> aggressively defensive.Tonight I finished reviewing article creations
by
>>>>> Nkansahrexford and applied one additional copyviocore banner to
Thomas
>>>>> Mensah. A few other articles have copyvio issues but at a much
smaller
>>>>> scale and I decided to let it go. There were also a few copyvio
issues from
>>>>> the same user on Commons (see his talk page there).Thanks to
everybody who
>>>>> helped with this situation. 24.130.172.5 (talk) 06:32, 6 March 2015
(UTC) *
>>>>>
>>>>> If this IP knows so much, why does he/she not contribute under
>>>>> his/her user name ? What is wrong with being User:Badzil if that is
who
>>>>> he/she is ?
>>>>>
>>>>> But that is not the issue at hand. Apart from the fact that the
admin
>>>>> who did the blocking claims to have take a "*taking a long
wikibreak
>>>>> and will be back on Wikipedia at some point probably*" since
>>>>> mid-March (he has done plenty of work since, including the edit
block) what
>>>>> can we do to help Nkansahrexford while he is being harassed by an
>>>>> experienced user who prefers to contribute anonymously?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course the best way could be negociation. Has anyone interceded
on
>>>>> his behalf? Has anybody helped him start negociating?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gabe
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Florence Devouard <
>>>>> anthere(a)anthere.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But the policy, in its introduction, states
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A clean start is not permitted if there are active bans, blocks
or
>>>>>> sanctions (including, but not limited to those listed here) in
place
>>>>>> against the old account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See also:
>>>>>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Clean_start#Criteria
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry Gabe... but no. I stand by my position. First negociate,
then
>>>>>> restart (whether a fresh or not a fresh; but in all cases, in
all
>>>>>> transparency).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ant
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 03/04/15 00:16, Gabriel Thullen a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am terribly sorry that you feel shocked by my proposition.
>>>>>> Please note that my proposal does correspond to "Wikipedia
rules", I just
>>>>>> tried to spell it out a bit.
>>>>>> We are not talking about how to bypass Arbitration Committee
>>>>>> sanctions, we are talking about an editor who has been blocked.
>>>>>> The details can be found here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Clean_start
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really think that our friend should try to make a clean
start,
>>>>>> spend the time it takes to get a feel of how Wikipedia really
works, and
>>>>>> then these complicated issues we are facing right now will seem a
lot
>>>>>> simpler.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>> Gabe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Florence Devouard <
>>>>>> anthere(a)anthere.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well... I am... shocked by this proposition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you propose is plain and simple a way to go around a
block.
>>>>>>> This comes in opposition with Wikipedia rules. So you
recommand to "not
>>>>>>> respect the rules" ? Uh....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ethically speaking, I think it is wrong as well as it is
cheating
>>>>>>> and a lack of respect for the community and its way of
operating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Technically speaking, this is probably not possible as his IP
is
>>>>>>> likely to be blocked as well for new account creation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the ONLY way to deal with that is
>>>>>>> 1) to pause and reflect on why that happened
>>>>>>> 2) to talk with the one who blocked and to propose to be on
>>>>>>> probation with a solid-established wikipedian to
"review" additions and
>>>>>>> help deal with these copyright issues
>>>>>>> 3) to keep low profile and indeed to focus on small edits,
small
>>>>>>> improvements, categories => create a good track record.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anthere
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Douglas Scott <
>>>>>>> douglas.i.scott(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we can address the cause of concern about the
perceived
>>>>>>>> copyright issues and address them then I think it should
be quite simple to
>>>>>>>> get it reverted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are the copyright concerns that Wizardman has?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Douglas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 April 2015 at 12:38, Florence Devouard
<anthere(a)anthere.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlockList?wpTarget=Nkansahrexford&…
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No expiry date.... uh.... :-[
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le 31/03/15 22:27, Nkansah Rexford a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eventually, I'm blocked from Wikipedia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
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