Exactly... I believe this was one of the elephants we were trying to tackle at Wiki indaba right? On Mar 4, 2015 9:57 PM, "Nkansah Rexford" <nkansahrexford(a)gmail.com> wrote:

These are real problems that need some solving. Now this reminds me, I have been wanting to ask about Wiki Indaba.Whats been made of it? Any updates on that please!! On Mar 4, 2015 8:08 PM, "bobby shabangu" <bobbyshabangu(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Gilfillan for the email templates. The word-for-word reason on the Patrick awauh article, perhaps I'm the only one who cant count at least even 10 sentences matching word for word between the Wikipedia article and the biography page. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015, 20:15 Ian Gilfillan <wikimediaza(a)greenman.co.za> wrote:

"Who is that shameless and faceless one doing this?" Its a human behind an IP address On Fri, Mar 6, 2015, 10:55 TheAfricanDream Oral.Ofori <oralofori(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry Emmanuel, I didnt do English at school extensively, could you please rephrase this statement? "But, as a reminder: the owner of the copyright of a photography is the "photograph", not the subject who is photographed." On Wed, Mar 4, 2015, 20:12 Emmanuel Engelhart <kelson(a)kiwix.org> wrote:

On 04.03.2015 21:15, Nkansah Rexford wrote: You have written on Yann's talk page https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yann#copyright_whatever "Those images were explicitly emailed to me from the celebs.", a sentence which sounds like an argument proving that this is OK for you to put them online on commons.wikimedia.org. But, in a normal case, the celebrity does not have any right on these pictures. The photograph who has shot the picture owns the copyright, not the celebrity. Emmanuel -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline & more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication

Thanks for the links Ian, I'm however still confused about the thousands of pictures used in Wikipedia from Flickr !! Do you know anything about that ?? Felix expect a follow up email from Theresa ( she'll be in contact with all the user groups as well) to find out how far they are with the recommendations/proporsals/decisions taken from the indaba. On 04.03.2015 21:15, Nkansah Rexford wrote: You have written on Yann's talk page https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yann#copyright_whatever "Those images were explicitly emailed to me from the celebs.", a sentence which sounds like an argument proving that this is OK for you to put them online on commons.wikimedia.org. But, in a normal case, the celebrity does not have any right on these pictures. The photograph who has shot the picture owns the copyright, not the celebrity. Emmanuel -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline & more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication _______________________________________________ African-Wikimedians mailing list African-Wikimedians(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/african-wikimedians

Hi Rex A bunch of comments First, Yann has been a contributor for many years and is very involved in the open source movement (one might even say that he is a bit of an extremist on the topic ;)). So, please consider that he is knowledgeable on the topic. Do not hesitate to seek his help to do the best. Second, Yann is French, but is mostly living in India (I do not know where he lives right now). So, whilst India and France are indeed on the other side of Earth, please do not take it as the fight of the rich white men in developped world against poor Africa. It would be inappropriate and I really wish we avoid this type of approach generally. Third, I am not surprised at all by his list of "images to be deleted" and ... I would have done the same if I were a cleaner on Commons. The images listed are obviously of professional quality, done by a professional photographer. It is clearly not amateur pictures. In such cases, it is ABSOLUTLY required that the copyright owner provides an authorization to be archived on OTRS ( the procedure was provided to you in a previous email). With no such authorization, the images MUST be deleted because in the very large majority of cases, these are copyright violations. Fourth, in most cases of pictures of celebrities taken by photographers, photographers (or the professional studio they work with) stay the copyright owners. And this whatever the country you live in. It is quite unusual that celebrity "buy" the full copyright rights. It is quite frequent that a celebrity wants her picture on Wikipedia (or complain that the one there is not the RIGHT one and ask you to replace it with another). In this case, she will send you a picture, saying "yes, you can use it". THIS IS NOT SUFFICIENT. You need to obtain an official authorization from the copyright holder, per email. It does not matter whether you live in Africa or elsewhere, this is the same for everyone. If the copyright owner can NOT be identified... then you can not use the picture. Period. How do we solve this ? Well, 1) either the celeb gets no picture on her wikipedia article 2) or you convince her to provide you with another picture, with the official authorization provided by the copyright owner 3) or you go and visit her (if she accept) and you take a picture 4) or you participate to a public event (such as Festival de Cannes in France or a book fair) and you take shots You better be a good photographer and have nice camera in the last two cases... Florence Le 04/03/15 21:38, Nkansah Rexford a écrit :

On 04.03.2015 21:34, bobby shabangu wrote: Flickr proposes to choose a distribution license for the pictures you upload there. You can for example choose a free content license like CC-BY or CC-BY-SA. All the Commons pictures issued from Flickr are carefully reviewed and match this pattern. Emmanuel -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline & more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication