Dear Isaac,
Thanks for the WP 101 lecture!
Jokes aside, WikiAfrica is a movt. It's bigger than all of us. Its an idea, its an ideal. Let us stop trying to bottle it. No country, no user group should own it.
Peace!
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> Great job on the site Isla and co. Good to see all those WikiAfrica
> projects under one roof. The movt is growing.
>
> Wiki Africa is too thick to be defined or bottled!
>
> Personally I appreciate the thought but 'Wiki Africa user group' just does
> not sound right. Let us continue working towards Chapters, country
> usergroups, collaborations etc under the banner WikiAfrica, if that.
>
> Peace!
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> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:37 PM, <
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>> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 08:37:00 -0400
>> From: Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac@gmail.com>
>> To: Florence Devouard <anthere@anthere.org>
>> Cc: Mailing list for African Wikimedians
>> <african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org>
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>> I mean "Wiki Africa User Group" is long overdue.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Isaac
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Flo,
>> >
>> > Thank you so much for your comprehensive clarification. I concur with you
>> > per your elaborate explanation which is actually convincing.
>> >
>> > At this point, I think "Wiki Africa" is long overdue!!!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Isaac.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Florence Devouard <anthere@anthere.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Being bold here...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Africa Centre tried vaguely to claim intellectual property rights over
>> >> the term when Isla stopped working there. It does not really make sense
>> as
>> >>
>> >> 1) the first one to use the term (and who made the logo I think) was
>> >> Iolanda back in 2006. And back then, her project was a "lettera27
>> >> Foundation project run in collaboration with Wikimedia Italia".
>> >>
>> >> 2), The Africa Centre first got involved in a WikiAfrica project in ...
>> >> 2011, with Isla.
>> >>
>> >> So from an anteriority perspective... their claim can simply not make
>> it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 3) Several projects which run under that banner never involved Africa
>> >> Centre. For example WikiFundi was never related to them. And has been
>> >> clearly called a WikiAfrica project since its inception.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So if they felt they had a ground... they would complain. Which they do
>> >> not. I am not aware they object to anything at the moment.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Actually, Africa Center considered making a grant request to WMF a few
>> >> months ago. I think for an education project. But I did not see any
>> project
>> >> grant from them the last two sessions, so I guess they finally decided
>> >> otherwise.
>> >>
>> >> I think... it is normal that Africa Centre use its legacy and show what
>> >> they have done in the past. I do not think they have run ANY WikiAfrica
>> >> project since Isla left. At least, I am not aware of any and there is
>> >> nothing new on their website. But, what was done under Africe Centre
>> banner
>> >> is part of their legacy. And that's a non profit organization that
>> needs to
>> >> show what it has done to get funding for other projects. So WikiAfrica
>> is
>> >> one of their programmes..
>> >>
>> >> -------
>> >>
>> >> I would not say WikiAfrica is a program. That's a set of initiatives led
>> >> in the wiki world, to improve production and availability of free
>> knowledge
>> >> about Africa and Africa participation. In my view, that's a UserGroup.
>> And
>> >> we probably should create an official one at some point. But that's the
>> >> concept.
>> >>
>> >> I think it is complementary to what the chapters and usergroup do in the
>> >> sense that it is cross-countries.
>> >> For example, a few days ago, some people decided to kick start a
>> "education-focused
>> >> User Group". There are education programmes in every chapter
>> basically...
>> >> the User Group will just be a "transversal" thing.
>> >> There is also a WikiWomen UserGroup (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi
>> >> ki/WikiWomen%27s_User_Group). And there are projects women related in
>> >> many chapters as well.
>> >>
>> >> Who owns WikiAfrica ? Well, no one. Maybe we should ask for a
>> >> trademark... but really... I am not sure why we should bother.
>> >>
>> >> If one of you guys want to start a WikiAfrica project (the missing
>> >> tile...), just move on and do it. But if the project is going to be run
>> in
>> >> only ONE country, it is probably better to do it within your country
>> >> UserGroup or Chapter. If the project is cross-country... WikiAfrica
>> makes
>> >> sense.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> (if needed, I am sure Isla or I can have other ideas for that nemissingw
>> >> tile... we can also make an entire NEW ROW ! Trust that part)
>> >>
>> >> -------
>> >>
>> >> To go back to the Africa Center question... I see no problem for them to
>> >> run projects under the WikiAfrica banner...
>> >> * as long as they do not claim they own the whole stuff...
>> >> * as long as they do not claim they managed all the WikiAfrica
>> >> projects...
>> >> * as long as they do not prevent others to run projects under this
>> >> banner...
>> >> * as long as the projects are within values and rules consistant to what
>> >> wikimedians would consider the "right thing" (such as free licence
>> outcome
>> >> etc.)
>> >>
>> >> If they start a new project within this framework... that can be the
>> >> missing tile ;)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The last projects we run, we did so with other hosts and partners
>> >> (Wikimedia CH, Ynternet.org and Goethe Institute in particular). We may
>> run
>> >> future ones under the newborn Wiki in Africa association. We may also
>> run
>> >> them with the Kiwix association. Who knows !!!!
>> >>
>> >> We thought important to have a place to showcase those projects as a
>> >> whole. We also thought important to acknowledge the role each of those
>> >> hosts and partners have played. Africa Centre certainly played an
>> important
>> >> part there and it is important that its role and involvement be
>> recognised.
>> >> But it is one amongst others. As displayed here :
>> >> http://www.wikiafrica.org/category/wikiafrica-is-hosted-
>> and-supported-by/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Flo
>> >>
>> >> Le 09/06/2017 à 13:23, Isaac Olatunde a écrit :
>> >>
>> >> Thank you, Isla.
>> >>
>> >> My understanding of your comment is that "Wiki Africa" is an
>> intellectual
>> >> property of Flo, Lopenza and you and Africa Center do not have any
>> control
>> >> over it. Correct? Per the claim here, <http://www.africacentre.net/> do
>> >> you think Africa Center is mistaken? or they are in fact, correct (i.e
>> it's
>> >> their program, they owns it?
>> >>
>> >> Let me know if you wish to discuss off-list.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Isaac
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Isla Haddow-Flood <
>> >> isla@wikiloveswomen.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> It is on a wordpress site is there a problem with it Rexford?
>> >>>
>> >>> Excuse the brevity, sent from my iPhone.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 08 Jun 2017, at 22:32, Nkansah Rexford <seanmavley@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there any chance the website could use a WordPress theme instead of
>> >>> this custom made one?
>> >>>
>> >>> Something similar along the lines of what was used for the
>> >>> wikilovesafrica website?
>> >>>
>> >>> rexford
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thursday, June 8, 2017, Isla Haddow Flood <isla@wikiloveswomen.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hello
>> >>>>
>> >>>> After a lot of time and effort, we are VERY pleased to announce the
>> >>>> launch for the WikiAfrica.org website. www.wikiafrica.org
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The website has been completely revamped in order to give due credit
>> to
>> >>>> all the members of the moment - including sponsors, hosts and, of
>> course,
>> >>>> to showcase the projects. Please feel free to look through the
>> website and
>> >>>> suggest changes or where you feel more information could be added. At
>> the
>> >>>> moment, the information is very sparse and is designed to lead people
>> to
>> >>>> investigate the projects in more depth via their own websites, or to
>> get
>> >>>> involved with the existing wikimedia chapters and affiliates.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We look forward to your feedback,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Isla and Florence
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> *Isla Haddow-Flood*
>> >>>> Co-project Manager
>> >>>> Username: Islahaddow
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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> Hi Michael,
>
> There is nothing wrong in Wiki Africa becoming a user group or thematic
> organization (which requires a legal structure). BTW....There is an
> existing chapter in South Africa (see http://wikimedia.org.za) and you
> can't have multiple chapters in a country.
>
> Regards,
>
> Isaac
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Muti Michael Etter-Phoya <
> michael.phoya@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Great job on the site Isla and co. Good to see all those WikiAfrica
>> projects under one roof. The movt is growing.
>>
>> Wiki Africa is too thick to be defined or bottled!
>>
>> Personally I appreciate the thought but 'Wiki Africa user group' just does
>> not sound right. Let us continue working towards Chapters, country
>> usergroups, collaborations etc under the banner WikiAfrica, if that.
>>
>> Peace!
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:37 PM, <african-wikimedians-request@
>> lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
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>>> 1. Re: Soft launch : WikiAfrica website (Isaac Olatunde)
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 08:37:00 -0400
>>> From: Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac@gmail.com>
>>> To: Florence Devouard <anthere@anthere.org>
>>> Cc: Mailing list for African Wikimedians
>>> <african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [African Wikimedians] Soft launch : WikiAfrica website
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CAEKHrP5NpW1M7qxSSMJFGU6-xZKDPqdvO9aczsa5mOF3r43J4g@mail.
>>> gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> I mean "Wiki Africa User Group" is long overdue.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Flo,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you so much for your comprehensive clarification. I concur with
>>> you
>>> > per your elaborate explanation which is actually convincing.
>>> >
>>> > At this point, I think "Wiki Africa" is long overdue!!!
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Isaac.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Florence Devouard <anthere@anthere.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Being bold here...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Africa Centre tried vaguely to claim intellectual property rights over
>>> >> the term when Isla stopped working there. It does not really make
>>> sense as
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) the first one to use the term (and who made the logo I think) was
>>> >> Iolanda back in 2006. And back then, her project was a "lettera27
>>> >> Foundation project run in collaboration with Wikimedia Italia".
>>> >>
>>> >> 2), The Africa Centre first got involved in a WikiAfrica project in ...
>>> >> 2011, with Isla.
>>> >>
>>> >> So from an anteriority perspective... their claim can simply not make
>>> it.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 3) Several projects which run under that banner never involved Africa
>>> >> Centre. For example WikiFundi was never related to them. And has been
>>> >> clearly called a WikiAfrica project since its inception.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> So if they felt they had a ground... they would complain. Which they do
>>> >> not. I am not aware they object to anything at the moment.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Actually, Africa Center considered making a grant request to WMF a few
>>> >> months ago. I think for an education project. But I did not see any
>>> project
>>> >> grant from them the last two sessions, so I guess they finally decided
>>> >> otherwise.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think... it is normal that Africa Centre use its legacy and show what
>>> >> they have done in the past. I do not think they have run ANY WikiAfrica
>>> >> project since Isla left. At least, I am not aware of any and there is
>>> >> nothing new on their website. But, what was done under Africe Centre
>>> banner
>>> >> is part of their legacy. And that's a non profit organization that
>>> needs to
>>> >> show what it has done to get funding for other projects. So WikiAfrica
>>> is
>>> >> one of their programmes..
>>> >>
>>> >> -------
>>> >>
>>> >> I would not say WikiAfrica is a program. That's a set of initiatives
>>> led
>>> >> in the wiki world, to improve production and availability of free
>>> knowledge
>>> >> about Africa and Africa participation. In my view, that's a UserGroup.
>>> And
>>> >> we probably should create an official one at some point. But that's the
>>> >> concept.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think it is complementary to what the chapters and usergroup do in
>>> the
>>> >> sense that it is cross-countries.
>>> >> For example, a few days ago, some people decided to kick start a
>>> "education-focused
>>> >> User Group". There are education programmes in every chapter
>>> basically...
>>> >> the User Group will just be a "transversal" thing.
>>> >> There is also a WikiWomen UserGroup (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi
>>> >> ki/WikiWomen%27s_User_Group). And there are projects women related in
>>> >> many chapters as well.
>>> >>
>>> >> Who owns WikiAfrica ? Well, no one. Maybe we should ask for a
>>> >> trademark... but really... I am not sure why we should bother.
>>> >>
>>> >> If one of you guys want to start a WikiAfrica project (the missing
>>> >> tile...), just move on and do it. But if the project is going to be
>>> run in
>>> >> only ONE country, it is probably better to do it within your country
>>> >> UserGroup or Chapter. If the project is cross-country... WikiAfrica
>>> makes
>>> >> sense.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> (if needed, I am sure Isla or I can have other ideas for that
>>> nemissingw
>>> >> tile... we can also make an entire NEW ROW ! Trust that part)
>>> >>
>>> >> -------
>>> >>
>>> >> To go back to the Africa Center question... I see no problem for them
>>> to
>>> >> run projects under the WikiAfrica banner...
>>> >> * as long as they do not claim they own the whole stuff...
>>> >> * as long as they do not claim they managed all the WikiAfrica
>>> >> projects...
>>> >> * as long as they do not prevent others to run projects under this
>>> >> banner...
>>> >> * as long as the projects are within values and rules consistant to
>>> what
>>> >> wikimedians would consider the "right thing" (such as free licence
>>> outcome
>>> >> etc.)
>>> >>
>>> >> If they start a new project within this framework... that can be the
>>> >> missing tile ;)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The last projects we run, we did so with other hosts and partners
>>> >> (Wikimedia CH, Ynternet.org and Goethe Institute in particular). We
>>> may run
>>> >> future ones under the newborn Wiki in Africa association. We may also
>>> run
>>> >> them with the Kiwix association. Who knows !!!!
>>> >>
>>> >> We thought important to have a place to showcase those projects as a
>>> >> whole. We also thought important to acknowledge the role each of those
>>> >> hosts and partners have played. Africa Centre certainly played an
>>> important
>>> >> part there and it is important that its role and involvement be
>>> recognised.
>>> >> But it is one amongst others. As displayed here :
>>> >> http://www.wikiafrica.org/category/wikiafrica-is-hosted-and-
>>> supported-by/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Flo
>>> >>
>>> >> Le 09/06/2017 à 13:23, Isaac Olatunde a écrit :
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you, Isla.
>>> >>
>>> >> My understanding of your comment is that "Wiki Africa" is an
>>> intellectual
>>> >> property of Flo, Lopenza and you and Africa Center do not have any
>>> control
>>> >> over it. Correct? Per the claim here, <http://www.africacentre.net/>
>>> do
>>> >> you think Africa Center is mistaken? or they are in fact, correct (i.e
>>> it's
>>> >> their program, they owns it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Let me know if you wish to discuss off-list.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Isaac
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Isla Haddow-Flood <
>>> >> isla@wikiloveswomen.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> It is on a wordpress site is there a problem with it Rexford?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Excuse the brevity, sent from my iPhone.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 08 Jun 2017, at 22:32, Nkansah Rexford <seanmavley@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Is there any chance the website could use a WordPress theme instead of
>>> >>> this custom made one?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Something similar along the lines of what was used for the
>>> >>> wikilovesafrica website?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> rexford
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thursday, June 8, 2017, Isla Haddow Flood <isla@wikiloveswomen.org
>>> >
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Hello
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> After a lot of time and effort, we are VERY pleased to announce the
>>> >>>> launch for the WikiAfrica.org website. www.wikiafrica.org
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The website has been completely revamped in order to give due credit
>>> to
>>> >>>> all the members of the moment - including sponsors, hosts and, of
>>> course,
>>> >>>> to showcase the projects. Please feel free to look through the
>>> website and
>>> >>>> suggest changes or where you feel more information could be added.
>>> At the
>>> >>>> moment, the information is very sparse and is designed to lead
>>> people to
>>> >>>> investigate the projects in more depth via their own websites, or to
>>> get
>>> >>>> involved with the existing wikimedia chapters and affiliates.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> We look forward to your feedback,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Isla and Florence
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> *Isla Haddow-Flood*
>>> >>>> Co-project Manager
>>> >>>> Username: Islahaddow
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> African-Wikimedians mailing list
>>> >>> African-Wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/african-wikimedians
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