Le 15/12/2016 à 16:51, Olatunde Isaac a écrit :

Hi Flo,
 
"I guess you have little idea how much time we spend organizing this contest to say that."

"I guess it may not matter to you so much that the ratio Dollars Spent / Pictures Collected skyrocket."


I understand how you felt about the situation and I do sincerely share your feelings but directing the above comment to me is ad hominem.

I hold you in high esteem and you know I am disappointed that you have needlessly decided to make a personal remark about me.


Best,

Isaac

I apology if you felt offended Isaac. I am sorry of that. I'd like to ask you to forgive me please. Sorry.

Yes, I feel really wronged today. Maybe you do understand in truth. I am not sure everyone does though. Probably not. And that is fine. I understand.

Perhaps a tiny bit of background on my last comment. When we started the photo contest back in 2014, it took us quite a lot of time and energy to get the funding. And after the first event was done, we were given outcome ratios of "cost invested per picture collected". And informed we were basically having the worst rating of all photo contests so far. I understand WMF needs figures to estimate if an event is worth investing in or not. And a cost per picture is just one ratio amongst others that can help answer that question. And yes, Wiki Loves Monuments ratio is clearly way above ours. Many participants to WLM are old contributors, photograph amators (or professionnals), when they get to a building, they shoot it from every angle. Then, even though they select the best pictures, that makes a fair amont of pictures in the end. And they usually have little limitations of bandwidth to upload them. Our users are not in the same situation for sure.
And the goal is just as much a goal of outreach and opportunity to do things all together than it is a goal of getting pictures in the bucket. Still, it is easier to "measure" the success of an event based on the number of pictures and the cost/picture ratio. So yeah, this is damage. Bad figures into Commons. Bad figures when we report at the end of the contest. Bad figures to communicate to outsiders and community afterwards.

This is also damage when we consider the outreach and visibility. With a banner set up at "10 views of the banner maximum"... well... at least indeed... there will be no user fatigue ;)

We are facing unique challenges than most wikipedians can not begin to imagine.

Let me give you one example of the challenges we are facing that any Europeans would GAP at.

We have not yet been able to send its event money to Zimbabwe.

WMF sent the money just fine. We started working on the money transfer one month before the beginning of the contest. For most countries, it worked fine and I guess they had time to organize.
In other countries, such as Algeria, we again had some issues to get the money to the team because the bank was not accepting the currency. In another, the bank itself provided an incorrect IBAN (yeah). Oh well.
But we made it.

Not for Zimbabwe... Money sent is turned back... with 10 days delays ... completely broken monetary system. We are waiting to see what happen with the last attempt and if again rejected, we will move into doing through Western Union. Hoping that it will work. In Europe, a monetary transfer would take... a couple of minutes to do and a couple of days to be credited at most. For Zimbabwe... yuck. I do not envy them.

I think there are enough challenges, that we do not need unexpected ones such as the site notice.

Flo

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld from Glo Mobile.

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