Hi Seydou,


Thank for your observation and concerns,


First of all, do you mind letting us know how you’re involved in the Wikimedia projects? It will help us explain better if we know from which perspective your concerns are meant to address.


As Emmanuel has already mentioned, the Dagbani Wikimedia user group is an independent organization/user group based in the northern part of Ghana and working to support the 16 Mole-Dagbani languages spoken in Ghana, Benin and Burkina Faso. The breadth and scope of our work is available on our landing page and Affiliations Committee/Resolutions for your perusal.


I was a founding member of GOIF but I’m no longer involved with them. Please take a look at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Open_Initiative/About_us to learn about the current team of executives. Since you are not speaking on behalf of affcom and the MEA regional committee, I will kindly request that you address them directly about their decisions pertaining to the recognition and funding of the User Groups in question. If you are interested however in learning about what we do and our work on a daily basis, then feel free to reach out to us on the usual channels. 


To touch on the grant application though, the initial proposal has been reviewed following the recommendations and discussions made by the grant committee on Meta so I think it’s fruitless to continue a discussion here that is no longer applicable. We have already responded to the MEA committee on the discussion page. As a new user group and a first-time applicant, we are very much interested in learning about the grant process.The proposal in question  has been changed long ago, do you mind letting us know why it is important to continue a discussion about it now? 


Finally, I am not here to argue with you on how many Mole-Dagbani languages are “written

in Ghana, studied in schools and has a lot of Literature or content and sohas encyclopedic status”. We have already noted your concerns and if you need further clarifications, I will suggest you reach out to leaders of these groups.


Good day.


Sadik.



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From: Seydou Diakite <clement.bogous78@gmail.com>
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Hello Emmanuel,

Thanks for coming out to try and resolve the issue although your
explanation is not convincing. Yes the Dagbani User group may be existing
as a separate entity but why is that so? What I said is it is the same
people are behind it and I haven’t because the Executive Director of the
Dagbani Usergroup is a founding member of GOIF.

In the budget it was the Executive Director who was requesting to be paid
an amount of $5000 a month for a period of 12 months that’s $60,000 to be a
project Manager.  In fact the edit history shows he did most of the grant
application so why is he not even coming to justify that grant here?

Talking about Mole-Dagbani languages in Ghana how many of them are written
in Ghana, studied in schools and has a lot of Literature or content and so
has encyclopedic status?

Concerning LUCG how different is their goals from GOIF? What is the
ultimate plan of LUCG because I have seen the Twi group gearing up to be a
Usergroup? And if you follow things closely you will realize the Dagbani
Usergroup initially started as Twi, then GOIF and now the same group is
trying to start a Twi group.

Sorry if my tone is harsh but I believe that’s inconsequential in this
regard. If you think I have been conclusive and my observation are out of
place.

Can you justify why a small language group like the Dagbani group was
requesting $190,000 since you conveniently chose not to address any of the
observations bothering around the padded figures in your budget?

I think this is a public platform so by putting my concerns here is another
way of reaching out to you publicly.

Lastly I want to know on whose behalf you’re speaking because you seem to
be in all these groups.

Best Seydou


On Tuesday, December 7, 2021, Emmanuel Yeboah <hazel3993@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Seydou,
>
> Thank you Seydou for sharing your observations and raising these concerns.
>
> However, we would like to clarify that, although the Dabgani Wikimedians
> Usergroup is one of the language groups that Global Open Initiative
> birthed, they currently exist as a separate entity operating from the
> Northern half of Ghana supporting multiple languages in the Mole-Dagbani
> tree including Dagbani. And the Global Open Initiative team is not involved
> or has no say in the day to day running of the Dagbani Wikimedians group.
> We do still collaborate when asked but we are not aware or involved in
> every decision or activities the group takes. So their activities and
> operations are different from that of GOIF.
>
> We apologise for the delay in making this clarification soon.
>
> Secondly, concerning the LUCG
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/LUCG_Wikimedia_Community/LUCG_First_Edit-a-thon>,
> this is a project proposed by a long-volunteer to recruit and maintain
> already existing members of Lakeside University College, Ghana (LUCG). This
> is in line with our objectives to empower self-sustaining Wikihubs at the
> institutions that we collaborate with. Their proposal couldn’t have been
> included in our plan because it was brought to our attention after we
> submitted the annual grant.
>
> We do empower and support individuals and groups to contribute in various
> ways to the Wikimedia Movement (which we believe aligns with the movement's
> recommendation of increasing the sustainability of the movement) but at a
> point, if they want to operate on their own as a group or embark on
> individual projects, we give them a chance to.
>
> The assumption that GOIF is taking advantage of the Foundation by founding
> offshoot communities to rip the Foundation off is absolutely wrong. The
> tone of this message is rather conclusive. This makes it difficult for us
> to accept that these concerns were raised in good faith. We’d kindly
> request for you to reach out to us publicly to seek clarification before
> drawing these conclusions.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2021, 07:12 Mohamed Aliyu, <mmaliyu2012@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good! Thanks for your insights into this matter.
>>
>> We hope that the Wikimedia grant committees be cautious in their
>> decision to fund those types of affiliates.
>> --
>>
>> Mohamed Mustapha Aliyu (he/him)
>> Wikim(p)edian
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Dec 2021, 01:19 Seydou Diakite, <clement.bogous78@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have been following the grant process with keen interest. I have
>>> rather noticed a worrying trend that I think for the sustainability of the
>>> grant program and the continuity of the volunteer spirit we need to address
>>> this issue as a regional group.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First and foremost we must bear in mind that Wikimedia Foundation is
>>> donor funded and non profit. And as such people give and make it possible
>>> for the organization to support the activities of volunteers. Therefore our
>>> request and demands must be guarded.
>>>
>>> Again we need to know that the movement relies on the activities of
>>> volunteers ( more content are created by volunteers than any other set of
>>> people) and as such that should be spirit we should be promoting through
>>> all our undertakings.
>>>
>>>
>>> After painstakingly going through the grant request of some Usergroups,
>>> what I noticed was something rather alarming. I will just mention a few of
>>> my observations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Wikimedia Inc Nigeria for instance was requesting over $55,000
>>> (aprox $4800 a month) for an office space at a time when even bigger tech
>>> organizations etc are moving to working remotely and hence promoting work
>>> from home.
>>>
>>>
>>> In addition to this, there were line items for projects that have other
>>> organizations running and hence have funds they disburse for organizations.
>>> (Arts and Feminism,Wiki Loves Africa etc)
>>>
>>>
>>> My second observation wasn’t only alarming but also ridiculous.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Dagbani Usergroup which linked to GOIF as exclaimed on their own
>>> pages (was actually formed from the GOIF
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Open_Initiative#Planned_Activities>)
>>> put in separate grant applications totaling over $220,000.( far higher than
>>> a continental group like Wiki in Africa and country group like Wikimedia
>>> CIV) This same group is also behind another group (LUCG) that has currently
>>> put in another rapid grant
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:Project/Rapid/LUCG_Wikimedia_Community/LUCG_First_Edit-a-thon>
>>> request. ( tye proposed Twi Wikimedians Usergroup
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Twi_Wikimedians_User_Group/Memberships>
>>> is also an offshoot) A question was posed about their link to GOIF
>>> (their mother institution) and the answers seem quite unreasonable, because
>>> all the separate activities can be rounded in one grant request as programs
>>> to paint a holistic picture of their annual activities rather than create
>>> fragments.
>>>
>>> Now let’s take things into perspective.
>>> The Dagbani language is spoken by less than 10% of Ghana’s population of
>>> over 30M people. The user group is fairly new and their primary focus is to
>>> reach the target Dagbani population which could be much more organic than
>>> their forced request for salaries for 10 trainers per month.
>>>
>>> Their community has less than 30 active contributors based on the
>>> current criteria for active members (3 edits per month), and hence even
>>> using their entire membership for the 12 month period, means members will
>>> be overwhelmed and burned out easily.
>>>
>>> Now the request to pay volunteers to train is to be treaded cautiously
>>> as this could change our culture for volunteerism and encourage
>>> participation because members can receive payments for contributing
>>> (mentoring, training, etc.).
>>>
>>>
>>> Based on the monthly salary requested for these 10 trainers, it is only
>>> right to assume that each of these trainers will organise at least 2
>>> trainings per month making a monthly total of 20 trainings (annual 240
>>> trainings). This is somewhat ridiculous and overly ambitious for even a
>>> well developed Wikimedia community.
>>>
>>>
>>> Aside from the aforementioned monthly payment for 10 volunteers/trainers
>>> they are also requesting for 2 other paid roles with very exorbitant
>>> amounts requested as salaries especially for the Executive Director role
>>> ($5000 a month), which even top manager levels in Corporate Ghana and in
>>> government workplaces never receive. In the first place this is a small
>>> group trying to rally and sustain a community and these requests for staff
>>> is just surprising and out of place.
>>>
>>> In addition to this, there was a request for a paid WiR for 12 months
>>> ($3,500 for 12 months). Apart the huge salary this is even problematic
>>> judging from the fact there was no partnership with any organization to do
>>> a GLAM activity or a project that needed an embedded Wikimedian in a
>>> partner organisation, which is normally the workflow that creates the need
>>> for a WiR.
>>>
>>>
>>> Again this wasn’t even part of the goals of this organization.  A closer
>>> look at the budget further shows that most of the requests are either
>>> frivolous, overpriced or outrageous.
>>>
>>> Looking at such a small language Usergroup what is the need for an
>>> office space and all the equipment for an office?
>>>
>>> The request for 6 MacBook airs for team members is rather an insult to
>>> the charitable donors of the foundation. The million dollar question here
>>> though, is why MacBooks? And why 6 of them? Wikimedians don’t need
>>> priced equipment to deliver on their jobs and if the intention is to be
>>> able to loan it to the community then macbooks still seem outrageous
>>> (because they can be destroyed easily with change of hands).
>>>
>>>
>>> Then comes a request for two foreign trips at a time when most
>>> organizations are putting hold on trips. However the question is trips to
>>> where? For what? And why two team members?
>>>
>>>
>>> These and many several budget items feel out of place, from requesting
>>> for research line items (which I am wondering what it's meant for and the
>>> goals of the research) to requesting specific team members for projects
>>> (arts&feminism) which should be managed by already requested staff roles
>>> (why hire other people again when you have a project manager for the
>>> organisation, who is supposed to run projects anyways)
>>>
>>>
>>> Everything in that budget seems padded and inconsiderate to the many
>>> donors that believe in our vision. Such characters should not be supported
>>> in our movement and be watched closely.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lastly I have noticed significant changes to the budget (from about
>>> $190,000 to about $39,000) after the questions posed by the committee, this
>>> is a significant 80% drop from the initial request
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Dagbani_WIkimedians_User_Group_Annual_Projects_2022>.
>>> As to whether the new requested amount is a true reflection of the needs
>>> on the ground we all all judges. I am fully aware that the grant proposal
>>> has been updated but I decided to bring to light the initial grant request
>>> because if it has has been approved I am sure the group would have accepted
>>> the full funding. And also the current grant is still padded.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have also copied Affcom in this mail because I wanted to bring to
>>> their notice the other trend that I wanted to spell out. The proliferation
>>> of language Usergroups. The same group has one Usergroup and three
>>> incubator groups why so? Three of these groups have applied for grants
>>> separately.
>>>
>>>
>>> We need to re-examine our commitment to this cause. Wikimedia is a
>>> voluntary movement to promote the sum of all human knowledge. Yes it’s ok
>>> when we sometimes expend our expertise so ask for some remuneration. But we
>>> shouldn’t form Usergroup groups with the basis of being employed or a
>>> conduit for making profit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>> Seydou
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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