Just noting that there are ongoing discussions on Lila's (not Leila's) talk
page about the relative merits of Flow, wikimarkup, VE, improved
wikimarkup, or some mix of options for talk pages:
Pine
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Leila Zia <leila(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Jonathan Morgan <jmorgan(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Aaron Halfaker ran a study of whether VE affected
new editor retention in
May:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_r…
He didn't find any difference in short term survival or productivity
between VE and wikitext.
To add to Jonathan's comment: Whether no difference in short term survival
and productivity is a positive or negative result is application dependent,
but for your specific use case, John, it can be considered a positive
result. Basically, you can train people with a method that is easier to
learn and use without negatively affecting their short term survival and
productivity.
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:46 AM, john cummings
<mrjohncummings(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I'm sure there are many ways you could
explore this subject, my specific
interest is when running editor training would it be better to teach people
to use VE or wikitext?
If you decide to teach VE, you will still need to teach people some level
of wikitext operations since they will need to be able to communicate in
Talk pages, for example. (correct me if I'm wrong).
I'd train them with VE but also teach them wikitext for the purposes of
the talk page, Teahouse, etc. conversations. I'd also tell them that at
some point in their Wikipedia career, they may need to learn more about
wikitext, but that they can decide later, when/if the need arises. (If
people you're training have academic backgrounds, the (not so 1-to-1)
comparison between LaTeX and Word can help. You'll learn both in many
fields and you use each of them for certain use cases.)
Best,
Leila
Many thanks
John
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