On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Tim Weyer (SVG)
<wikitech-l(a)svg.name> wrote:
The 'deleterevision' permission is an
instrumental supply if you want to
delete a revision of a page due to adding libelous information.
But it also allows suppressing log entries and some sysadmins don't want
to grant their administrators this possibility.
(1) It's not possible to
suppress log entries ; it's possible to mask
the IP address / username or the edit summary.
The entries with the date and the fact data has been masqueraded are
still there.
(2) A sample about technical versus social rules enforcement. On the
French Wikipedia, we use these social rules:
- Admins use deleterevision for copyvio (yes, on fr.wikipedia, we
always had a very strong attitude against copyright and never reverted
it, we deleted articles and restore good versions in the past before
deleterevision)
- Oversights, a group especially created for this use, and so
especially trusted, could mask diffamation/libelous /confidential
personal information revisions.
- But technically, an admin could use its deleterevision right to mask
a libellous entry.
'deleterevision' as "delete a
revision" is no additional possibility.
Revisions can also be deleted with 'delete' and 'undelete' permission
(but it's more difficult than 'deleterevision' process).
My suggestion is splitting 'deleterevision' permission into:
deleterevision: (un)deleting revisions only
suppresslogentry: (un)hiding log entries only
Fine rights are always a good idea,
up to the point extra rights means
unmanageable complexity for the people having to configure a MediaWiki
setup.
By the way, is it really useful to be able to text content but not the
IP/username or the edit comment now I clarified a little bit how the
right work?
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Weyer
> MediaWiki user "SVG"
> Git/SVN committer "cervidae"
'deleterevision' in its function of deleting revisions of a page or
removing IP/username/comment is what I want it to be only. And if you
tell it masking or suppressing is not a big difference. Okay, you only
suppress the content of the log entry, so you mask it. But I know what
I'm speaking about.
If you wouldn't have 'deleterevision' permission, you would have to
delete and undelete the page without the revision(s) you wanted to
remove. If you have 'deleterevision' permission, you can easily remove
the content (and the comment if needed; and if you want to remove the
editor's name, you can do it too).
Masking log entries is another part and that's why I want to give it an
extra permission called 'suppresslogentry'. You could also name it
'hidelogentry', but I think we should use it because of
'suppressrevision'. This permission's name does also include
'suppress'
in its name even you can only hide log entries and revisions for
administrators too.
--
Tim Weyer
MediaWiki user "SVG"
Git/SVN committer "cervidae"