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I may be able to use a similar hook call like a function in flaggedrevs now to make it so that when a user edits a page where the stable is the default, it redirects them to the page with the stable=0 url, so that they can see their edits, rather than the stable version.<br><br>-Aaron Schulz<br><br>> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:37:46 -0400<br>> From: gmaxwell@gmail.com<br>> To: wikiquality-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> Subject: Re: [Wikiquality-l] default views<br>> <br>> On 10/9/07, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:<br>> > Usability wise that seems tricky. Imagine making an edit, then passing<br>> > the link on, only to find that both viewers see different things.<br>> <br>> That can mostly be resolved by sending the user to a static revision<br>> url after saving, I suppose.<br>> <br>> Since the pages can be changed users will either need to have some<br>> awareness of the process or they will be confused. For example, their<br>> change could be reverted or the purge could be missed causing their<br>> anonymous browsing / cookieless friend to view a slightly stale page.<br>> <br>> I just think it's better to make the possibly confusing cases as<br>> infrequent as possible.<br>> <br>> > Also, one benefit of having a different default view is to<br>> > disincentivize vandalism -- if the user mistakenly _believes_ their<br>> > edit has taken effect, vandalism is not disincentivized.<br>> <br>> I'm not sure we understand the mechenism of vandalism well enough to<br>> know without measement. Certantly expirenced/repeat/frequent vandals<br>> will observe the futility, but I don't think we know what proportion<br>> of vandals fit that profile.<br>> <br>> > Perhaps it is solvable with reasonably clear UI messages. But I'm not<br>> > sure a simple "Your edit has been submitted and will be shown to all<br>> > readers pending review" message isn't sufficient.<br>> <br>> I think it might be, but really we're just guessing.<br>> <br>> > > But at the end we don't need to worry about the worries: Instead we<br>> > > can simply use objective measurements. If we turn on users defaulting<br>> > > to the flagged revisions on ten thousand well distributed articles, we<br>> > > can then track the performance.<br>> ><br>> > It would probably be least controversial to immediately do it on all<br>> > articles that are currently semi-protected. Can you quickly get the<br>> > number of those?<br>> <br>> I agree that semied pages are probably uncontroversial.<br>> <br>> But they are not as useful for some sorts of measurments because we<br>> won't be able to measure how much default sighted slows editing. There<br>> also aren't very many of them.<br>> <br>> Protection settings according to toolserver (enwp data is two weeks old):<br>> <br>> project page restrictions number of NS0 non-redirect pages<br>> | enwiki | | 2026122 |<br>> | enwiki | move=:edit= | 999 |<br>> | enwiki | edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed | 196 |<br>> | enwiki | move=sysop | 97 |<br>> | enwiki | edit=autoconfirmed:move=sysop | 17 |<br>> | enwiki | edit=sysop:move=sysop | 6 |<br>> | enwiki | move=autoconfirmed | 5 |<br>> <br>> | dewiki | | 658385 |<br>> | dewiki | edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed | 1937 |<br>> | dewiki | move=:edit= | 607 |<br>> | dewiki | move=sysop | 75 |<br>> | dewiki | edit=sysop:move=sysop | 13 |<br>> | dewiki | edit=autoconfirmed:move=sysop | 10 |<br>> | dewiki | move=autoconfirmed | 4 |<br>> | dewiki | move=sysop:edit=sysop | 2 |<br>> <br>> <br>> > It would be slightly more controversial to do on the featured & good articles.<br>> <br>> In addition to any large classes, I think it would be useful to also<br>> apply it to some number of pages quasi-randomly selected. Probably<br>> something around 10000 pages would make sense. We could set a study<br>> end date and undo the setting at that point and also gather data on<br>> page activity after the change is removed.<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Wikiquality-l mailing list<br>> Wikiquality-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiquality-l<br><br /><hr />Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! <a href='http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews' target='_new'>Try now!</a></body>
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