<P>So it's "dumbing down" to speak English? How very European of you.
<P>Zoe
<P> <B><I>Ray Saintonge <saintonge@telus.net></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Toby Bartels wrote:<BR><BR>>Lir wrote:<BR>><BR>>>we should refer to spacecraft from the USSR according to their Russian name-not<BR>>>according to the English name.<BR>>><BR>>As it happens, Lir, I agree with you. English corruptions suck.<BR>>But the Wikipedia standard for a rather long time<BR>>(as long as *I*'ve been here, at any rate)<BR>>has been to use the most common name used in English.<BR>>Now, if you want to change that, then this is the place<BR>>to make your arguments. But if you just move articles now,<BR>>then you're only going to make people mad at you.<BR>>You *first* have to convince the rest of them to agree with you,<BR>>and *then* you and I (and anybody else that cares about it)<BR>>can start moving articles over to their new names.<BR>><BR>Count me among the people who care about it. Even if we get a broad <BR>understanding on this the forces of dumbing down will continue to give <BR>us flak.<BR><BR>>This might, of course, never happen.<BR>>You might never manage to convince the other people.<BR>>If I had to guess, I'd guess that it will never happen,<BR>>although I might be wrong, so you should present your arguments.<BR>>But please don't try to force your opinion on Wikipedia now.<BR>>People will just change it back, and they'll start to hate you,<BR>>and then they'll ban you (some are trying to do this already),<BR>>and then you won't be able to do anything on Wikipedia ever again.<BR>>*I* don't think that that would be a very good outcome.<BR>>We all need to work *together*, and that means compromises sometimes.<BR>><BR>Regretably, though I have noted Lir's efforts to address some of the <BR>complaints about her eccentric usages, some others are not so forgiving. <BR>I just find that she has a wicked sense of humour, and that is very <BR>hard on those who take themselves too seriously. People who take <BR>themselves too seriously often lead campaigns "to preserve our bodily <BR>humors".<BR><BR>>PS: Have you signed up for the new English mailing list <WIKIEN-L>?<BR>> You can go to <HTTP: wikien-l listinfo mailman www.wikipedia.org><BR>> if you want to subscribe to it; else you might miss some responses.<BR>><BR>Another mailing list!!!!!!! I'm already getting 100 e-mails a day. <BR>Should I want more?<BR><BR>Eclecticology<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Wikipedia-l mailing list<BR>Wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org<BR>http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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