Mark,
It is simple, this posting is about things that will happen on the
en:wiktionary. It is not an encyclopedia but a dictionary. It is not an
English dictionary only and it includes words of potentially any
language. In a dictionary you expect to find words as they should be
spelled. Having them capitalised is plain wrong. Consequently the
current methodology of linking from the en:wikipedia to the
en:wiktionary will break. So work needs to be done to correct this. We
hope we will be able to do a lot of the work by using bots.
I hope you will be giving us a helping hand in this big undertaking.
Again this has nothing to do with the capitalisation of articles on the
en:wikipedia.
Thanks in advance,
GerardM
Mark Williamson wrote:
...speaking of which, capitalisation is a problem on
Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_languages will give you a page
different from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Languages or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_Of_languages or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIST_OF_LANGUAGES
The arguement against removing capitalisation sensitivity is in my
opinion a very weak one: the number of cases for which it serves as a
natural disambiguation is very very small, and even in those cases
somebody might use capitals or not use capitals and inadvertently end
up at the wrong article.
I think we need to get rid of case sensitivity once and for all.
Mark
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:27:41 +0100, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>Muke Tever wrote:
>
>
>
>>Sabine Cretella <sabine_cretella(a)yahoo.it> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Who contributes simply takes the words he is "moving" (working on)
off
>>>the list - the admins have enough work with deleting all the re-directs
>>>(or is there a way to do this automatically) maybe modifying the page
>>>and writing "to be deleted" instead of the re-direct?
>>>
>>>
>>Why delete the redirects? You'll break all the old pages on the web
>>that link
>>to Wiktionary articles.
>>
>>You'll have to think of other wikimedia sites too. For example
>>en.wikipedia's
>>"link to Wiktionary" template currently just uses {{PAGENAME}}, which
>>will always
>>be capitalized, because Wikipedia capitalizes all topics it treats.
>>
>>
>> *Muke!
>>
>>
>Hoi,
>You delete the redirects because they are plain wrong. A word that has
>has both a capitalised version and a non capitalised version will be
>split into two versions. The usage of wikipedia's link to Wiktionary
>currently does indeed use PAGENAME, how do you know that it still refers
>to the correct version of the word ?? You do not ! So it needs to be
>changed as PAGENAME is not good enough.
>
>It is feasible to change the PAGENAME to something else for instance a
>genuine parameter that is either capitalised or not. I think it would be
>feasible to have a bot check the occrurence of the old template and
>change it for a capitalised or an uncapitalised REAL parameter. So
>practically all the instances of the current template need to be changed
>anyway.
>
>The decision of the capitalisation on en:wiktionary has been made, now
>it is necessary to plan a good conversion plan. It will hurt and it will
>be a lot of work. Extra painfull is the fact that the en:wiktionary did
>not agree to change the first time round because MANY new words have
>been added in the mean time. I think it is better to suffer a bit and do
>a good job than to do an incomplete job and not remove the pain.
>
>One other reason why you want to change the current wiktionary content
>is because you will not add redirects for all the new words that will be
>added in the future.
>
>Thanks,
> GerardM
>