I don't recall saying all Bokmål users are Nynorskhaters.
I simply said that this certain person was a nynorsk hater, by which I
meant that they /sounded to me/ like a Nynorsk hater.
Many people will deny that any prejudices against Nynrosk exist in
Norway, but if Nynorsk is your primary language it soon becomes
obvious.
Most of the time, it is due to people resenting having to learn
Nynorsk in school when they saw little practical use for it. Similarly
in the US, when schools were first integrated, sometimes people were
made to drive a really long time to go to a school that was primarily
of the other race, and this often unintentionally breeded hate.
There are certainly many Bokmål users without such a prejudice, but
when you talk with somebody about the different varieties of Norwegian
it quickly becomes apparent.
Things like using "standard Norwegian" or "normal Norwegian" for
Bokmål, a sort of obvious resentment that may not be stated outright,
repeatedly belittling Nynorsk, sometimes indicating that Nynorsk is
bad or worthless, sometimes saying outright that they hate Nynorsk,
and almost always showing a clear dominating attitude towards Nynorsk.
There are also different levels of prejudice. Some people dislike
Nynorsk with a passion (read: hate), others don't like it much but
don't mind, and some just have an unconcious aversion to it but have
no real problem with it.
In foreign universities that teach Norwegian, by asking the professors
if they include any teaching about Nynorsk, and if they don't why not,
it will quickly become apparent whether 1. they are a regular user of
nynorsk, 2. they prefer bokmål but have no problem with nynorsk, or 3.
have a prejudice against Nynorsk.
In my experience most fall into the first and second categories, and
most offer at least some matieral for learning Nynorsk, but there is a
minority that teaches their students that Nynorsk is bad,
insignificant, inferior, and to be avoided.
When it comes down to it, they are both equally official in the state
of Norway. Nynorsk has less people that prefer it, but it is not a
10%-90% division or anything else extreme like that; it is somewhere
between 20-80 and 30-70, and there are a great number of people who
use both regularly but prefer Bokmål.
Interestingly, the number of people who speak a dialect of Norwegian
which is grammatically and lexically closer to Nynorsk than to Bokmål
is much higher than the number of people that actually prefer to write
and read Nynorsk.
Mark
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:14:16 +0100, Lars Alvik <larsal(a)stud.ntnu.no> wrote:
Hmpf, passing jurgement on people you don't really
know? And labeling
everyone that use bokmål as "nynorskhater". I'm really curious what
i'm
being labeled as. Damn, this debate did really not have anything to do
with nynorsk vs. bokmål, they are more or less happily coexisting with
the status quo. The current debate is about calling no: bokmål or
norsk.
mvh.
Lars Alvik
På 2. mar. 2005 kl. 22:39 skrev Mark Williamson:
I like "standard norwegian" - you
should ignore this guy as he is a
typical norwegian high-school Nynorskhater.
Mark
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:49:30 +0100, Andre Engels
<andreengels(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I got the following message on my (Dutch)
userpage:
===========================================================
I don't subscribe to the mailing list, so I respond here:
The Norwegian Wikipedia uses no: as its interwiki code. Until we have
decided to do otherwise, please respect our choice of domain and
interwiki name.
Also, note that no: is not the "bokmål Wikipedia", as bokmål is only
one spelling standard of Standard Norwegian, which also includes
riksmål (both bokmål and riksmål are major spelling standards, the
latter being used e.g. by the most significant Norwegian newspaper
(Aftenposten). Wolfram 2 mrt 2005 15:34 (CET)
============================================================
So now I have
(
http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2005-February/
037750.html)
someone saying it would be best to always use nb: and (above) someone
saying it would be best to always use no:. Then I have people at nn:
who really don't want it to be called no: at THEIR wiki. Could someone
please tell me who I am to listen to? By whom and where is the
decision made in a case like this?
Andre Engels
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