[Wikipedia-l] Request for creation of Dutch-Low Saxon (nds-nl)

[Servien Ilaino]

Hi,

Ja precies, helemaal mee eens Wouter! (Het enigste wat niet klopt is
"zij"; waarom denkt iedereen dat ik 'Servien' een vrouwennaam is haha!)

But anyway... if anyone would like to check out the differences please
see: http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hööftsiet and
http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruker:Servien/Heufdbladsyde, the same site
as the German-Low Saxon one, just in a different dialect and some changed
etc.

Regards,
Servien Ilaino (m.)

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Wouter Steenbeek"
  To: node.ue at gmail.com, wikipedia-l at wikimedia.org
  Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Request for creation of Dutch-Low Saxon
  (nds-nl)
  Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:06:36 +0200

  >
  > > As I noted before, it is a dialect continuum.
  > All of the continental West Germanic language variants form a
  > dialect continuum, with the possible exception of the Frisian
  > tongues.
  > > Stellingwarfs and Middel-pommersch are surely not mutually
  > > intelligible, but Grunnegers and Oostfreesk very well should be.
  > Yes, so are Berlinic and High German. And East-Veluws and Dutch.
  > But Grunnegers and Oostfreesk are not or barely mutually
  > intelligible when written down, because of the different spellings.
  >
  > > You are foolishly dividing Platt by nations. This is illogical.
  If we
  > > had an Oostfreesk Wikipedia, Grunnegers-speakers would surely
  > > understand it and vice-versa, even though Grunnegers is in the
  > > Netherlands and Oostfreesk is mostly in Germany.
  >
  > "Foolishly"... Mr. I-owe-all-the-world's-languages'-wisdom.... May
  > I point at the difference in spelling once more? And don't you
  > think that the bulk of the Dutch Low-Saxon dialects share some
  > features most German dialects don't?
  > > The problem of dialect continuum is a very difficult one.
  > Yes, so it can't be solved by one such disregarding message.
  > > HOWEVER, given the community reaction to a request for a
  Baseldytsch
  > > Wikipedia, I think the same is logical for a request for a "Dutch
  Low
  > > Saxon" Wikipedia
  > Is it? Is Servien requesting a Wikipedia for just one town, or
  > region? No, she obviously realises that, though the speaking
  > communities hardly link dialects on any higher level than their own
  > region (they will never say they speak Low Saxon, but always either
  > the dialect of their own village or region, Twents, Sallands,
  > Drents etc.), we should group some of them together. This is very
  > different from what the proposer of the Baseldytsch Wikipedia did:
  > he simply said: "I have no affinity with the other Alemannic
  > dialects, so I want to open one for my dialect only".
  > > -- your language may be different to whatever degree
  > > than what many people on X Wikipedia use, but there is no rule
  > > forbidding its use. There is no rule against writing pages and
  pages
  > > and pages of content on nds.wiki in Stellingwarfs or Achterhooks.
  When
  > > I suggested doing this, I got a cold response that Dutch Low
  Saxon and
  > > German Low Saxon aren't mutually intelligible. Before whinging to
  us
  > > about that, can you at least actually try to use your dialect on
  > > nds.wiki to prove to us that it really doesn't work?
  > Some users of nds: made clear that they only use one spelling: the
  > Sass one. Dutch Low Saxon dialects are /never/ written in German
  > spellings, except with some German-initiated projects.
  >
  > > Mark
  > >
  > Imo, the combined facts of mutual confusion in both speach and
  > spelling makes this idea a valuable one.
  >
  > Wouter
  >
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