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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>So it seems i
did things wrong... :S Well, i only know that this isnt the way we handle at
the Dutch Wikipedia, but sorry by then and goodbye.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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jon@snowulf.com [mailto:jon@snowulf.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Jon Davis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> maandag 28 september 2009
4:51<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Wikinews mailing list<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> TahR78<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Wikinews-l] Fwd:
Wikinews e-mail about IRC complaining</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Wow. Talk about a
speedy email about this topic. This conversation started August 20th,
2009 @ 05:19 PST (12:19 UTC?).<br>
<br>
If the group is curious, I can provided a full copy of the chat transcript, but
after reading...this is a non issue. The user in question (Tahr78) who
I'm CC'ing (out of the kindness of my heart) was having... difficulties. <br>
<br>
He was extremely insistent that our maps were broken, and that there was no
other explanation. NeoAmsterdam and Gopher65 attempted to explain to the
user that the maps seemed to be working correctly, that the maps were not
country/continent average temperatures (I guess the Netherlands is so small
they dont bother giving people the weather other than the national average
temp?!) and that the tooltips showed that the temperature in question was for
East Midlands, England and not the Netherlands. Apparently the users tooltips
were not working, and that's Wikinews's fault. When NeoAmsterdam
explained that this wasn't our fault, the user threw a tantrum.<br>
<br>
At this point the conversation goes way down hill with the user repeatedly
quitting and re-joining the channel. Right after he quits the first time,
he gets his "friend" to join the channel under the username
"Olivier_Bommel". The user (along with his friend) continue
tossing in bits of commentary here or there and generally being a pain in the
ass <br>
<br>
After a bit of this on & off, we get to the "threat". Since the
user is accusing NeoAmsterdam of making threats over IRC, I'm pulling out the 4
lines of relevant text here for everyone:<br>
(6:26:46 AM) NeoAmsterdam: Since you insist, TahR78, I'll say it:<br>
(6:26:46 AM) NeoAmsterdam: The Dutch were fools for surrendering New Amsterdam
so quickly to the English.<br>
(6:26:46 AM) NeoAmsterdam: There. I've said it. I feel better.<br>
(6:26:46 AM) NeoAmsterdam: ^_^<br>
<br>
In short, there was no threatening behavior going on. NeoAmsterdam did
nothing wrong in my book in handling this user. In fact, if I had been
the one on, I would have ban hammered both TahR78 and his friend Olivier_Bommel
from the channel for being disruptive.<br>
<br>
-Jon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 17:14, Patrick Mannion <<a
href="mailto:patrick.mannion@gmail.com">patrick.mannion@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dunno why I got this, I
hardly hang out on the IRC channel, but nontheless something for you guys to
look at...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>TahR78</span></b> <<a
href="mailto:tahrim_ramdjan@planet.nl" target="_blank">tahrim_ramdjan@planet.nl</a>><br>
Date: Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:09 PM<br>
Subject: Wikinews e-mail about IRC complaining<br>
To: TUFKAAP <<a href="mailto:patrick.mannion@gmail.com" target="_blank">patrick.mannion@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
Hi Tufkaap,<br>
<br>
Im sorry for disturbing you in this late hour (in where i live, Europe, it is
now night). I want to complain about an user on IRC, he is much on it. Lets
start with the story:<br>
<br>
So, i and friends were looking because we were bored, one of my friends said
that he found a weather map of Europe. We were going to watch, it was a Celsius
map, but it wasnt right. So we joined the IRC channel of Wikinews and we were
going to report it. First time nobody reacted, second time also nobody. Thirth
time finally somebody was waken up and listened to us. I just nice said ''Hey, there's
a kind of fault in this template''. The user i've spoken to, NeoAmsterdam,
didnt appreciate that very much. He said to me on a not so nice way that i have
to look better, because it are airports. It would stand on a tooltip. Well,
tooltips doesnt work on this computer on that day, so i made him that clear.
Than everybody said something and, NeoAmsterdam also said that he thinks that
the Dutch were stupid to give New Amsterdam to the British.<br>
<br>
When he said that, i thought he was going to hurt me, but he didnt. First of
all, i cant fix it that New York isnt now New Amsterdam, so dont blame me that
and second, it doesnt touch me, because i am born in Holland, but my parents
come from a whole other country. I leaved the channel, but friends were still
on the channel and said me that they were talking bad about me.<br>
<br>
Well, i am not hurt, no, i could even laugh about what NeoAmsterdam said. I am
experienced with wiki's, i have a account on the Dutch Wikipedia as well, and
have crossuser on, so i can log in on every Wikimedia wiki. But i have also
experience on other wiki's like from Wikia. I know this isnt the usual way, im
sorry for that, but i donk think this is a nice way to explain things to (new)
users on Wikinews, especially foreigners. Also when you are talking bad about a
newbie on a wiki, that isnt the right thing i think?<br>
<br>
(Why i choosen you is because when i said on the IRC channel some days ago,
somebody prefered you. Hope you dont mind my bad English, because i am not so
old (11, 12 years) and still Dutch, so i am not a very expert in English. Hope
you understand this situation, maybe i made a big thing of it but just wanted
to say this.. Only time when i contributed to Wikinews was with a article about
the attack on the Dutch queen, no more).<br>
<br>
Sorry for the long mail and disturbing you, but i just wanted this to say.
Please note that it is a long time ago when this happened, you will be
surprised why i send this mail NOW, well, its simple: i didnt have any time. I
have also accounts on other much internet communities. There were more people
at that IRC conversation but i can only remember NeoAmsterdam.<br>
<br>
Greetings from TahR78<br>
----<br>
Want to send a reaction, you can mail this email adress back or leave a note on
my dutch Wikipedia talk page, my name there is also TahR78, however i dont
prefer that because it isnt necessary to tell every Dutch Wikipedians about
this story.<br>
<font color="#888888"><span style='color:#888888'><br>
--<br>
This e-mail was sent by TahR78 to TUFKAAP by the "E-mail user"
function at Wikinews.</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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