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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><PRE><FONT size=3>Two comments. <BR>The first is about the recent crisis on wikinews.<BR>The second is a commen</FONT><FONT size=3>t about the new features.</FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT size=3></FONT> </PRE><PRE><FONT size=3>For the first point Er</FONT><FONT size=3>ik, it seems some people are not happy with the way decision making happens on wikinews.<BR><BR>It seems that this time, the trigger of the conflict is the way a new feature was put into use,<BR>even though there was no clear agreement whithin the community to use it. I'd say, it is fair to complain about <BR>software changes, when software changes are not agreed upon. It is good that you propose now a discussion over<BR>whether this new feature should be used or not, but the discussion should occur *before* the feature is used, or<BR>even better *before* the feature is developped.<BR>I suppose you will answer that it was discussed, it was agreed, that it is the best solution so should be
used...<BR>this may be. But you can not at the same time claim this... and ignore the fact regular editors are so mad that it <BR>appears to them their *only* options are to suggest another wikinews (fork) or obey you (not so benevolent dictatorship).<BR><BR></FONT><FONT size=3>How do you suggest to improve this in the future ?</PRE></FONT><PRE><FONT size=3>For Kyle, I do not think there was any abuse of Erik in his blocking NGerda. <BR>I am more dubious of whether the same standards apply to everyone, but this is another story. NGerda apparently disrespect a rule all<BR>wikinewsies should follow, so it is fair he is given a time out. I trust NGerda has a tough skin :-)<BR>As for Erik, being under different pseudos or his own name is generally known and I do not think there is any abuse either on the matter<BR>(there is only one wikinews account). He is Eloquence on wiki, Zirzon on irc and Erik as a real person.<BR>I will add that he is indeed an officer of Wikimedia Foundation, but
this has nothing to do<BR>with him being an editor on wikinews and should not mean he should be treated differently than others. He should be entirely and only<BR>judged by his activity on wikinews as an editor, not by any official position he has in the organisation. In short, if he does good, <BR>congratulate, thank him and support him to do more good. If he does wrong, complain and discuss. If he does really wrong, block him.</FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT size=3></FONT> </PRE><PRE><FONT size=3></FONT> </PRE></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3><FONT face="Courier New">As a simple participant, I would like to comment on the new feature which I think is called "inputbox extension" (or is it "DynamicPageList extension" ?). <BR>Anyway, if any of you goes to wikinews and intends to start a new page, here is what he will get : <A href="http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Writing_an_article">http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Writing_an_article</A>.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3><FONT face="Courier New">I invite you to enter the name of a new article and to edit it.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3><FONT face="Courier New">When you will get the edit box, you will notice two things :</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3><FONT face="Courier New">First, the box does not start empty, it is already prefilled with a whole bunch of preformatted content. It indicates where to put the article. It has a table with pre-filled fields for citation of sources. It has a bunch of categories into place. And it has the "development" tag by default. If the editor wants the story to be visible to the reader, he must replace the development tag by a publish tag (this is quite clearly explained on top of the edit window).</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On the positive side, I feel that the benefits of this are<BR>* a more "similar" appearance to all articles</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* a strong reminder to the editor that he should list his sources</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* a system allowing to "publish" the article quite freely, without relying on an editorial team.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The drawbacks of this is</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* if you are a new editor, chances is you will be very perplex in front of all this complex synthax.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* if you are a new editor, chances is you will not understand for a while the publish tag system, so your story will not be visible</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As long as wikinews is small, there can be hope some oldbie will see and check the article and push it published... but when wikinews grows, it might be that the system does not scale so well and that articles are not quickly published. Still, we can hope some editors frequently check the list of articles with a "development" tag, so I am not sure it is really a problem.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The main problem I saw with this is not the publication system, but only the fact it will appear awfully complex to a new editor. The basic of wiki is </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* it is simple synthax</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* create an article, edit, save and this is it !</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A more similar appareance and a reminder to cite sources is good, but I do not think the benefit balance the drawbacks of loss of easiness to edit.<BR>I think these two issues should be community enforced and taught by model (looking at what already exist).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Last, I have been wondering how much difference there was with wikipedia. Indeed the publication system might be necessary, as the goal is to get on the main page and to get it *quickly*. So, the current semi-automatic tagging solution might not be bad.</DIV>
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<DIV>However, Wikipedia just as well might propose pre-filled articles, with pre-formatted titles, subtitles, see alsos, external links, categories and international links. And IT DOES NOT. Why is it felt necessary on wikinews when it is not felt necessary on other projects ?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have been caressing the idea of writing to Ward Cunningham and ask him to create a wikinews article... and tell us about his experience afterwards ;-)</FONT></DIV><PRE>Anthere</PRE><PRE>-----------------</PRE><PRE><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Wikinews community,
dear interested individuals,
I would like to invite you to participate in an open, unmoderated
discussion about the future of the project, specifically the English
edition. Members of other editions who want to learn about recent
changes to the English version, and who want to debate whether these
changes could be useful for their project, are also invited to join.
Please sign up for a time that is convenient for you at:
</FONT><A href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Future_Talk"><FONT face=Arial size=2>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Future_Talk</FONT></A>
<FONT face=Arial size=2>The purpose of this IRC meeting is to discuss issues such as
* Should the DynamicPageList extension be used?
* Should the inputbox extension be used?
* How should decisions about issues like this be made in the future?
* How local can Wikinews stories be?
* How can we make Wikinews more accessible for newcomers?
Please feel free to add topics of discussion to the agenda.
Note that we should not be trying to make decisions at this meeting -
those should be openly documented on the wiki - but to reach a basic
consensus about how to proceed.
Best,
Erik
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