Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

Again though - and I don't want to shoot the idea down (please don't think I am!) - is this not what Roger did in Gibraltar? One would need to be very careful about what sort of training one provided - what happens if the consultancy trained people from, for example, UBS, to edit - and then UBS went and broke rules on Wikipedia by paid editing after the training is finished? It'd also be running the risk of upsetting genuine volunteer trainers who aren't being paid for their services. Take, for example, Mr Smith, who went on the Train the Trainers program and travels around in his own time training people how to edit. Mr Jones, on the other hand, travels around charging people for the same training. Mr Smith cannot advertise his services (because he makes no money). Mr Jones can - so Mr Jones gets all the 'customers'. Mr Smith is then disincentivised: he no longer wants to go out and train people, because a.) he feels it's been taken over by a commercial element, and b.) it becomes less fun, because none of the fun customers (like UBS or the RAF) will want to train with a volunteer - they'll want a professional. Those learning will also be affected: - they'll be paying for something which is free elsewhere (and should really, in my opinion, be free no matter what) - They'll be more likely to see Wikipedia as a 'website to post on, supported by consultants' rather than a community of volunteer editors - We'll be helping to legitimise an industry which, at present, is barely tolerated on Wikipedia. Now, I'm playing devil's advocate here - but remember that some people genuinely have an issue with Wikimedia Fellowships, let alone any sort of consultancy. It's a great idea, but it needs an awful lot of planning - more than went into setting up the charity! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 3 October 2012 12:44, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote: