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<div dir="ltr">There needs to be some kinda national coordination. In Mumbai, we are in touch with Raj Bhavan and the Maharashtra State Archives. <br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:27:45 +0530<br>From: noopur.raval@gmail.com<br>To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam<br><br><div dir="ltr">Hello all :) <div>I am glad you liked it and yes, I will post updates on the page. I am in talks with someone from a relatively big museum but am taking it carefully because these things, as you know, are very delicate. I might require the chapter's support and preferably someone from the chapter or foundation who is in Delhi. This will be sometime in January first week. </div>
<div>SO, I urge you all to stick around AND, most importantly speak up. </div><div><br></div><div>I only see a couple of names over and over and I am sure there are more people who agree or disagree. <b>Also, if you guys from the chapter saw the bit on regular meet-ups, do consider a zonal organisation for India as a community. Everyone kept asking me how this big a country manages to have a single chapter for all. Let's make nodal points and have newsletters or updates. I can volunteer to make a newsletter! </b></div>
<div>Warmly</div><div>Noopur </div><div><br></div><div>PS. (thanks Srikanth R. and Arjuna :) )<br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parakara.ghoda@gmail.com">parakara.ghoda@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey Noopur, lovely mail. This should be made part of the FAQ on the<br>
Wiki India Chapter website. I read about a massive GLAM collaboration<br>
in the UK with a Museum for the Hoxne Hoard, which is a Featured<br>
Article in English. The efforts to get info, photos etc, are<br>
documented in the Foundation Report of 2009 2010. I believe this is<br>
what we need to emulate in India simply because much of our culture<br>
and heritage is present and rotting in several museums and we can save<br>
it on Wiki.<br>
<div class="ecxHOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On 12/12/2011, Noopur <<a href="mailto:noopur.raval@gmail.com">noopur.raval@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hey Pradeep and the rest of you,<br>
><br>
> What I think was my biggest take away from the GLAMcamp is: GLAM and<br>
> Outreach cannot be separated. Similar holds for expanding the India<br>
> Wikipedia community. While doing Wikiacademy or workshops or clubs or<br>
> meet-ups, the idea is to spread the word as much as encourage a culture of<br>
> good editing. That is what these guys back at the camp take very seriously,<br>
> every occasional meetup is a wonderful outreach opportunity! Let's talk<br>
> more about that :)<br>
> Warmly<br>
> Noopur<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <<br>
> <a href="mailto:pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com">pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> hi,<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you for your update, Noopur. Coming back with more good and<br>
>> concrete is great and the best way for the community to reflect.<br>
>><br>
>> Personally, I think there are people right now who are focussed on<br>
>> building a new breed of editors through WikiAcademies and<br>
>> Wiki-Workshops. This seems to be happening in tech schools and not in<br>
>> art schools. Very few of the tech school junta might be interested in<br>
>> the arts or history. But, they can teach the arts school junta to edit<br>
>> and help them out. I think it is this cross-disciplinary editing that<br>
>> we need to foster more in the Indian community.<br>
>> There are people on this mailing list who are interested in<br>
>> participating in GLAM. I hope they respond to this thread and<br>
>> participate in the conversation.<br>
>><br>
>> warm regards,<br>
>> Pradeep<br>
>><br>
>> On 12/12/2011, Noopur <<a href="mailto:noopur.raval@gmail.com">noopur.raval@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Dear all,<br>
>> > These are my insights from GLAMcamp Amsterdam. I have put them in form<br>
>> > of<br>
>> > some key questions. For me it was a brilliant learning experience. So,<br>
>> most<br>
>> > of these answers are not mine, rather they have been generated as<br>
>> > collaborative responses by various people from different chapters. I am<br>
>> > grateful to WMF, WM-NL and WM-UK for their special interest in helping<br>
>> > encourage GLAM participation in India.<br>
>> > This is the link to the programs:<br>
>> > <a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAMcamp_Amsterdam#Schedule" target="_blank">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAMcamp_Amsterdam#Schedule</a> and in each<br>
>> > session you will find an etherpad link to the live discussion!<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Why GLAMwiki is becoming all the more important?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Flickr: popular mass upload tool but is no longer available; it has<br>
>> pending<br>
>> > requests and flickr commons has no money to support more file sharing.<br>
>> > Wikimedia Commons allows almost the same functions and metadata sharing,<br>
>> > open licensing with a bonus Wikipedia link (something that institutions<br>
>> go<br>
>> > by). Since most institutions don’t really know what Wikimedia or commons<br>
>> > is, the Wikipedia name leverages partnerships and allows them similar<br>
>> > archiving benefits. For us, it is also outreach.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Common questions by GLAM institutions in other countries:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Why Wikipedia, why not our own website?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Because of the abysmal disparity in web-view. Simply, Wikipedia is the<br>
>> > 5thmost visited, gives far more visibility in web traffic as compared<br>
>> > to your<br>
>> > own website. However, integrating wikis and providing links is not hard<br>
>> > either. So, it doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -<br>
>> ><br>
>> > This is complicated, is there an easier way to collaborate?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Advice to GLAM and cultural/outreach people: Carry presentations (PPT),<br>
>> > simple statistics, don’t go into metrics jargon, show in simple numbers,<br>
>> > percentage, fractions how people can make a difference or vice versa.<br>
>> > Use<br>
>> > things like color coding, emphasize on the importance and seriousness of<br>
>> > ‘free knowledge’, larger things that Wikipedia is also in service of.<br>
>> This<br>
>> > helps people connect at different levels. Most importantly, break your<br>
>> > hierarchies and trash your rule books (or make simpler ones that use<br>
>> > less<br>
>> > jargon). If you are concerned about quality editing there are two<br>
>> solutions<br>
>> > (get content specific editathons and organize a Wiki academy EVERY<br>
>> > week).<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > What happens once partnership is over? How to sustain?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > This is why a GLAM coordinator is not simply a GLAM person. S/he is also<br>
>> > someone who does massive outreach: Wikipedia takes your city; Wiki loves<br>
>> > monuments, wikiacademies, PR and network building with local, regional<br>
>> and<br>
>> > national resource persons outside the community. While in capacity as a<br>
>> > fellow, the idea is also to do value addition, train employees (at least<br>
>> > train in minor edits, article making, image uploading). Source one<br>
>> contact<br>
>> > through another.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > (My take: As I see it, there has to be a crucial change in orientation.<br>
>> > From exhaustive internal debates, discussions and tool building<br>
>> exercises,<br>
>> > it has to move and adapt to the larger Open and free scene, involving<br>
>> > people albeit on a temporary basis and expanding. Monopolizing Wikipedia<br>
>> as<br>
>> > a city, state or indic language space is only going to create a highly<br>
>> > concentrated yet a very niche community)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -<br>
>> ><br>
>> > (Question asked to me) 52 cultural partnerships listed on GLAM<br>
>> > request<br>
>> > page, why not India?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Frankly, I had no answers why. My hunch is that since traditionally<br>
>> science<br>
>> > and technology oriented courses and vocations have been encouraged, few<br>
>> lay<br>
>> > people really know their culture or feel as passionately about<br>
>> > conservation. On the other hand, placement of government officials to<br>
>> > unrelated departments (museums) included leaves them little motivation<br>
>> > to<br>
>> > go beyond their regular duties. On the other hand, there is also a large<br>
>> > communication and visibility problem since Wikimeetups aren’t really a<br>
>> > matter of common knowledge even to journalists. Wikimedia India really<br>
>> > needs to carve out a place and get involved in academic and art spaces,<br>
>> > have people just talk about their experiences, present smaller<br>
>> > individual<br>
>> > pilots (Sumanna)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Why no Indian participation in ‘This month in GLAM’?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Because there is really no ‘Indian’ GLAM or ‘Indian’ community. As<br>
>> > wonderful as the Indic language efforts are, it would be great if there<br>
>> > were biannual national meet-ups, regional meets and more frequent local<br>
>> > meets. Identify at least 4-5 cities that can act as pivotal regional<br>
>> > meeting and resource points. This will also help generate smaller goals<br>
>> and<br>
>> > activities and we can have our own newsletter as well as TMIG updates.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -<br>
>> ><br>
>> > How do we identify, regulate and strengthen local community based<br>
>> > interactions?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Most important: Every chapter must have a national outreach coordinator.<br>
>> > Have mandatory sections in agenda: Gender gap, Indic, English, GLAM,<br>
>> tools,<br>
>> > updates, outreach. Invite guest speakers or professors who can give a<br>
>> talk<br>
>> > or attend and that way get to see the internal workings of the local<br>
>> > community. Try and concretize a press team, media releases, word of<br>
>> mouth,<br>
>> > social networking channel so that every time news passes by, we have a<br>
>> > loyal reader, enthusiast base.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -<br>
>> ><br>
>> > What tools are used to digitize artifacts?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Proposed GLAMtoolset, more on etherpad, apart from this proposal to move<br>
>> > GLAM to a different portal from Outreach redirect. More on etherpad<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Do people really know who a Wikipedian is, what Wikimedia projects<br>
>> > are<br>
>> > about?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Andy Mabbett, Fae from UK chapter spoke about their fund raising and<br>
>> > outreach activities, also on how to recruit new editors and how to<br>
>> recruit<br>
>> > new Wikimedians<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Important task is to categorically do outreach and editor involvement<br>
>> > together.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Who all do you invite in a wikimeetup?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Go to institutions and say how can we help you<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Go with groups to cultural institutions and get volunteers so that you<br>
>> get<br>
>> > focused group<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Organize a fb group and event<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Is there a monthly update?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Need for a cultural outreach coordinator position<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Need for a monthly newsletter that binds all indic and English community<br>
>> > members<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Need to look at GLAMs more seriously because women’s outreach and GLAM<br>
>> are<br>
>> > intricately connected.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Need to move to more friendly UIs and keep discussions going. Of course,<br>
>> > mailing lists exist and they can be for people specifically involved in<br>
>> > a<br>
>> > community but for the novices and to attract more people, there is a<br>
>> > need<br>
>> > to get FB groups going, have more Wiki academies.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > These are a few salient questions. I will appreciate your suggestions,<br>
>> > advice, comments and questions. Let us try and be civil about criticism,<br>
>> > like mature, secure adults :) Look forward to your responses!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Warmly<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Noopur<br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Noopur Raval<br>
>> > Student<br>
>> > Arts and Aesthetics<br>
>> > Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi<br>
>> > Ph: 9650567690<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Pradeep Mohandas<br>
>> How Pradeep uses email - <a href="http://goo.gl/6v1I9" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/6v1I9</a><br>
>><br>
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Regards,<br>
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.<br>
Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.<br>
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