Friends,<div>I'm not saying that points raised by Bala are not valid, but I would still like you guys to come up with questions/comments/suggestion to make it one of the best program. </div><div>All of us are truly committed to do that and I would love to see few points like </div>
<div> - "How we can better engage the community?"</div><div>- "How many students are still editing Wikipeida, out of their course requirement?"<br>- "How we can encourage newbies instead of blocking and scolding them, how to make it a fun place?"</div>
<div><br></div><div>- All in all the whole point here is to not just focus on good or bad, but learnings, and I'm very much open to any of these suggestions.</div><div><br></div><div>Accept my apologies if my tone was negative.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Ram </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Bala Jeyaraman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sodabottle@gmail.com">sodabottle@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Ram,<br><br>The points i raised need to be asked and they are missing and i am raising them. This isnt about negative/positive tone. Any project that causes a three month long clean up effort involving hundreds of regular editors needs to document how much time and effort it is costing and what is its impact on the regular functioning of the project. Without that there is no real learning, especially when the program execs are seeking to repeat it.<br>
<br>-<br>Bala<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ramshankaryadav@gmail.com" target="_blank">ramshankaryadav@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Dear Bala,<div>I'm glad that you came up with few more questions but most of them are in negative tone. </div><div>We would love to have few questions from you pointing on few of the good things as well.</div><div><br>
</div><div>Please don't mind, it's not personal.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Ram<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sodabottle@gmail.com" target="_blank">sodabottle@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Somethings vital that are missing:<br><br>1) How many regular editors were required to clean up the articles. How many reverts/cleanup edits were required to clean up after the IEP students.<br>
2) How many admin actions/interventions were required - warnings, blocks, mergers, deletions, AFDs<br>
3) How many regular volunteer hours were spent on this project.<br>4) How much did the new page patrollers (NPP) backlog increase because of IEP<br>5) How much did the copyright cleanup investigations (CCI) backlog increase because of IEP<br>
6) How long is it going to take to clean everything up. What do the NPP/CCI project members feel about the extra workload.<br>7) What was the impact on the existing en wiki community. How their attitude towards such a program has been damaged. <br>
<br>A supplimentary question:<br>Are kudpung, moonriddengirl, fluffernutter, Voceditenore, spacemanspiff et al being interviewed? <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, sankarshan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foss.mailinglists@gmail.com" target="_blank">foss.mailinglists@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika <<a href="mailto:ntandon@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">ntandon@wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> We want to collate data points to be able to analyze and draw out trends.<br>
> Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a<br>
> sub-set of a preliminary list)<br>
<br>
</div>Sharing the entire list of data points would be a nice thing to have.<br>
If it is possible.<br>
<div><br>
> What's the amount of data that students have added to Wikipedia? What's the<br>
> amount of data that got reverted? What's the net amount of information that<br>
> the students have added on Wikipedia?<br>
<br>
</div>The above should lend themselves to instrumentation and should be<br>
somewhat trivially available.<br>
<div><br>
> How many students edited articles outside of their in-class assignments?<br>
<br>
</div>This is an interesting and non-trivial question. Which prompts me to<br>
ask - why would you want to track this ?<br>
<div><br>
> How many student's got warnings on their talk pages? How many students<br>
> corrected their errors after these warnings?<br>
> How many students got blocked? / How many students got blocked more than<br>
> once?<br>
<br>
</div>Again, the above should be easily instrumented. At least, the initial<br>
nature of the questions look that way.<br>
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sankarshan mukhopadhyay<br>
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