<div>Dear Bishakha,<br></div><div><br></div><div> I agree with you on the mix of online and offline methods to realize Wiki mission.Bu the problem is the velocity with which the goal can be achieved and the resources and the cost. The simile </div>
<div>that comes to the mind is "the difference in sending 1000 invitations through e-mail and achieving the same</div><div>through the post office." </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"> Yes, India is a poor country and to reach the target only through "on line methods" is beyond</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">reality in the next 20 years. All my support goes with your offline methods,but my concern is that route shall</div><div class="gmail_quote">further widen the digital divide. But as long as the action is alive it is okay for a country of our magnitude</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">and problems.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"> I hesitate to advocate---but my thinking is--we the Wikians may have a different movement to</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">bulldoze the Govt of India to spend 5% of GDP on IT infrastructure alone for the next 10 years for the upliftment of the country.When one Anna Hazare can achieve so much in 5 days, a parallel movement is </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">believably possible. Am I dreaming too much? </div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"> Hi Wikians "All the best" </div><div class="gmail_quote">
Gokuldas</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Bishakha Datta <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com">bishakhadatta@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Dear Gokul,<br><br>As I understand it, we need to use a mix of online and offline methods to realize our mission: "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment."<br>
<br>Given this, I don't see why the spread of this knowledge through CDs and PediaPress books would be against the wiki movement - am not suggesting replacing the use of wikis or online methods, but adding to or supplementing these through CDs/books/offline methods etc. <br>
<br>"Investing in offline products to broaden the movement's reach to populations who will remain disconnected from the Internet" is one of the planks of the strategic plan [2] currently being implemented. This is already happening in some projects, including Wikipedia for Schools.<br>
<br>Cheers<br>Bishakha<br><br>[1]<a href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home" target="_blank">http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home</a><br>[2]<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/c/c0/WMF_StrategicPlan2011_spreads.pdf" target="_blank">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/c/c0/WMF_StrategicPlan2011_spreads.pdf</a> <br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:44 AM, gokul das <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gokuldas.1950@gmail.com" target="_blank">gokuldas.1950@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Dear Bishakha,<br></div><div><br></div><div> Are you not defeating the fundamentals of Wiki movement by your view point:Quote"There were
questions about how to take this knowledge to colleges in the state
without access to the internet or to computers."Defend.</div><div><br></div><div>Gokul</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:27 AM, jayanta nath <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jayantanth@gmail.com" target="_blank">jayantanth@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Dear all,<br><br>Apologies for this big delay in reporting - between work, travel and the rest of my life, I've been in a spin.<br>
<br>As previously announced on this list, Sanhita, a gender resource
centre in Kolkata had offered to host a half-day session on 'Gender,
Information and Technology' to explore, understand and plan how women's
studies departments in Kolkata's colleges might create content related
to 'gender/women's studies/women' on Bengali wikipedia, for use by
colleges across West Bengal (and of course, by anyone else). <br>
<br></div>The workshop was held on 18 March at the <a href="http://www.seagullindia.com/samrc/facilities.html" target="_blank">Seagull Media Resource Centre</a>
where the Kolkata wiki10 celebrations had been held in January -
Sanhita took on the venue rental and snack costs. Sanhita currently
works with 18 women's colleges in Kolkata and West Bengal: it creates
and distributing information resources in Bengali on women/gender. It
would like to collaborate with a technological platform such as Bengali
wikipedia to further its goal. <br>
<br>Biswarup Ganguly, Jayanta Nath, Arnab Dutta and Rimi Chatterjee were
the wikipedians from Kolkata who led this workshop, along with Soma
Sengupta of Sanhita. I was invited along to bridge the gap between
gender studies and wikipedia. The entire workshop was conducted in
Bengali; there were 30 participants - 28 women and 2 men, quite the
gender reverse of other workshops I've attended. Please see the <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Kolkata_Mar2011" target="_blank">photos</a> that Biswarup took to get a visual sense of this.<div>
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<br>Each of the 30 participants used English wikipedia - only 1 knew of
Bengali wikipedia; none used it. All the participating teachers are not
necessarily intending to edit wikipedia themselves in Bengali, but are
'gatekeepers' to students. So they were more interested in a conceptual
understanding of wikipedia during this preliminary planning session,
than a hands-on editing demo.<br>
<br>Given the academic nature of participants, the first question was
about the authenticity of articles. How is this established? Along with
talking about the need for references and citations and the no original
research/verifiability principles, two examples [1} [2] were shown. The
talk page on Babri Masjid [1] was also used to demonstrate one aspect of
the editing process - how authenticity is constantly challenged and
renegotiated. The page on Begum Rokeya [2] attracted considerable
interest, since she was a pioneering figure in undivided Bengal to whom
this group could relate. The lack of citations about her was brought up,
and the oral citations project [3] was cited.<br>
<br>In a similar vein, the following pages were also discussed in
detail: Feminism portal [4], Gender Studies category [5] and Gender
Studies project page [6] - to see if something similar could be launched
in Bengali wikipedia with those present and others who had expressed
interest via email.<br>
<br>Since some of those present saw themselves as advocates, we
clarified that wikipedia is not an advocacy platform, it is a knowledge
platform - and discussed NPOV etc in this context.<br><br>There were
questions about how to take this knowledge to colleges in the state
without access to the internet or to computers. We discussed the
creation of offline CDs and PediaPress books, using online content.<br>
<br>All in all, there was great excitement around the prospect of
collaboratively creating gender-related content on Bengali wikipedia -
Arnab and Jayanta demonstrated this. Rimi spoke about how she uses
wikipedia with her students, while Biswarup did a quick demo of Commons.<br>
<br>All of us felt "a positive energy" (to quote Rimi), specially about
the "practical concrete questions about next steps" (Jayanta). One
disability rights activist from an NGO called Sruti had suggestions for
improving said page in Bengali wikipedia - and <br>
Sanhita confirmed that several participants emailed back the next day with good feedback.<br><br>Hopefully,
with this optimistic start, this will now go places - and contribute
not just to Bengali wikipedia, but also to reducing the overall gender
gap. A special thanks to Jayanta, Arnab, Biswarup, Rimi, and Soma for
excellent coordination, planning, camaraderie and teamwork to make this
workshop a grand success. <br>
<br>Cheers<br>Bishakha<br><br>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babri_masjid" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babri_masjid</a><br>[2] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begum_Rokeya" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begum_Rokeya</a><br>
[3] <a href="http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/" target="_blank">http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/</a><br>[4] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Feminism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Feminism</a><br>
[5] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gender_studies" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gender_studies</a><br>[6] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Gender_Studies" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Gender_Studies</a><br>
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