<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt">See below for reply: In line<br>............<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Thanks Nadig, Gautam, Srikeit, Tinu, Mahesh, all...I will shortly set up <br>a public discussion around the scope of the project and am interested in <br>hearing from you.<br><br>No specific languages set HPN, I've had initial discussions with a <br>number of people including Shiju, Sundar and Mohau (a Wikipedian from <br>South Africa) and I'm hoping to figure out exactly how to proceed after <br>a more thorough set of discussions with anyone interested in the <br>subject. I think we can increase the number of languages slightly, but <br>the point overall is to set feasible targets within a limited
time-frame <br>and assemble compelling evidence and action. In that sense, it matters <br>less as to which language is used in the process than whether the <br>results overall are useful to Wikipedians in India and South Africa at <br>large.<br><br>In general, the idea is to focus on instances of a citation gap: either <br>an already created article whose basis has been established but for <br>which there are no citations available, or a situation where citations <br>cover a topic only partially, or an article that should be created but <br>can't be because of a lack of supporting scholarly evidence.<br><br>Until I set up a more formal space for discussion, maybe we can begin <br>discussion here. Have you ever faced a situation as described?<br><br>Good wishes,<br>Achal<br><br><br>..................<br><br>Dear Mr.Achal and all<br><br>Compliments to Mr.Achal for much needed study fellowship.<br><br>I am not sure whether your study will include following
points , but this is just an attempt to begin a discussion<br><br>1) For most people, certain areas and certain phase of life they come across certain valuable written info but afterward one tend to remember info to some extant and try to include the info on a wiki but does not remember exact name of the books etc On Marathi Language wikipedia I get some flexibility to write since many of the fellow Marathi people are aware of same fact so they do not insist on citation immediately but that does not mean that citation is not needed. But in the same case if I try to include the same info on en wiki might get rejected because they may insist for the citation<br><br>2) Another problem is in India we did not have good enough of tradition to note down things which can be used for reference , about previous generation Indian people had big enough tradition to shy away from any sort of publicity , such cases may be eve about many prominent
people so people are aware of the facts but written material is hard to find<br><br>3) Problems are coming from information coming from rural areas information may be genuine but hard to find reference to support the same.<br><br>4) Info coming from rural area problem becomes more acute with personalities and rural institutions and NGOs working in rural areas , for want of proper documentation and what to accept on encyclopedia and what not to accept becomes really challenging.<br><br>I am keenly interested in knowing how other indic language wikipedias are handling such info being uploaded <br><br>Regards<br><br>Mahitgar <br><br>On Monday 17 January 2011 10:40 AM, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote:<br>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Bishakha Datta <br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com" href="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com">bishakhadatta@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com"
href="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com">bishakhadatta@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> Dear all,<br>><br>> As part of the continuing spate of good news, I'd like to<br>> congratulate Achal Prabhala for becoming the latest Wikimedia<br>> Foundation Fellow.<br>><br>> For those of you who don't know him, Achal is a writer and<br>> researcher in Bangalore who has participated as a volunteer in the<br>> Wikimedia movement in India and globally for years, and as a<br>> member of the Foundation?s advisory board.<br>><br>> Achal will be conducting field research in India and rural South<br>> Africa with Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians across three languages<br>> to explore ways to compensate for the gap in published/printed<br>> sources in many
local languages.<br>><br>> More details at<br>> <a href="http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/" target="_blank">http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/</a><br>><br>><br>> Congratulations, Achal. This is good news indeed.<br>><br>> Curious though to know about the languages you have picked for this <br>> research! :-)<br>> -- <br>> Hari Prasad Nadig<br>> <a href="http://hpnadig.net" target="_blank">http://hpnadig.net</a> | <a href="http://twitter.com/hpnadig" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/hpnadig</a><br>> <a href="http://flickr.com/hpnadig" target="_blank">http://flickr.com/hpnadig</a><br>><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:45:15 -0800 (PST)<br>From: BalaSundaraRaman <<a ymailto="mailto:sundarbecse@yahoo.com"
href="mailto:sundarbecse@yahoo.com">sundarbecse@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] A Wikimedia Foundation Fellow from<br> India<br>To: "Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia."<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org" href="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>Cc: Achal Prabhala <<a ymailto="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com" href="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com">aprabhala@gmail.com</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:975070.14839.qm@web59910.mail.ac4.yahoo.com" href="mailto:975070.14839.qm@web59910.mail.ac4.yahoo.com">975070.14839.qm@web59910.mail.ac4.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Congrats, Achal. Your area of research is very interesting and has a huge <br>potential fallout.<br><br>- Sundar<br><br> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely
a medium for <br>the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."<br>- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture<br><br><br>><br>>From: Bishakha Datta <<a ymailto="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com" href="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com">bishakhadatta@gmail.com</a>><br>>To: India List Wikimedia <<a ymailto="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org" href="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>>Cc: Achal Prabhala <<a ymailto="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com" href="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com">aprabhala@gmail.com</a>><br>>Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 10:32:07 AM<br>>Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] A Wikimedia Foundation Fellow from India<br>><br>>Dear all,<br>><br>>As part of the continuing spate of good news, I'd like to congratulate Achal <br>>Prabhala for becoming the latest Wikimedia Foundation Fellow.<br>><br>>For those of you who
don't know him, Achal is a writer and researcher in <br>>Bangalore who has participated as a volunteer in the Wikimedia movement in <br>>India and globally for years, and as a member of the Foundation?s advisory <br>>board. <br>><br>>Achal will be conducting field research in India and rural South Africa with <br>>Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians across three languages to explore ways to <br>>compensate for the gap in published/printed sources in many local languages. <br>>More details at <a href="http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/" target="_blank">http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/</a><br>><br>>Cheers<br>>Bishakha<br>> <br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a
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href="mailto:4@mail.gmail.com">4@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Congratulations, Achal.<br><br>Belayet<br>from Bangaladesh<br><br>On 17 January 2011 11:45, BalaSundaraRaman <<a ymailto="mailto:sundarbecse@yahoo.com" href="mailto:sundarbecse@yahoo.com">sundarbecse@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Congrats, Achal. Your area of research is very interesting and has a huge<br>> potential fallout.<br>><br>> - Sundar<br>><br>> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium<br>> for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."<br>> - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture<br>><br>><br>> *From:* Bishakha Datta <<a ymailto="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com" href="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com">bishakhadatta@gmail.com</a>><br>> *To:* India List Wikimedia <<a ymailto="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org"
href="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>> *Cc:* Achal Prabhala <<a ymailto="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com" href="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com">aprabhala@gmail.com</a>><br>> *Sent:* Mon, January 17, 2011 10:32:07 AM<br>> *Subject:* [Wikimediaindia-l] A Wikimedia Foundation Fellow from India<br>><br>> Dear all,<br>><br>> As part of the continuing spate of good news, I'd like to congratulate<br>> Achal Prabhala for becoming the latest Wikimedia Foundation Fellow.<br>><br>> For those of you who don't know him, Achal is a writer and researcher in<br>> Bangalore who has participated as a volunteer in the Wikimedia movement in<br>> India and globally for years, and as a member of the Foundation?s advisory<br>> board.<br>><br>> Achal will be conducting field research in India and rural South Africa<br>> with Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians across three
languages to explore ways<br>> to compensate for the gap in published/printed sources in many local<br>> languages.<br>> More details at<br>> <a href="http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/" target="_blank">http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/</a><br>><br>> Cheers<br>> Bishakha<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org" href="mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org">Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l" target="_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l</a><br>><br>><br><br><br>-- <br>Belayet Hossain<br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bellayet" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/bellayet</a><br><a
href="http://twitter.com/bellayet" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/bellayet</a><br><a href="http://bellayet.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://bellayet.wordpress.com</a> (Bangla)<br>Knowledge is universal<br> ...so share it.<br><br>Hillel____<br>If I am not for myself, who will be for me?<br>If I am only for myself, what am I?<br>If not now, when?<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20110117/0db2a961/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20110117/0db2a961/attachment-0001.htm</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:20:22 +0530<br>From: CherianTinu Abraham <<a ymailto="mailto:tinucherian@gmail.com"
href="mailto:tinucherian@gmail.com">tinucherian@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] : BBC Documentaries : Wikipedia at<br> 10<br>To: "Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia."<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org" href="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:AANLkTimLm7PsXugXpX3KATdkSnrhGdw0yZ8dVRsS1MjJ@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:AANLkTimLm7PsXugXpX3KATdkSnrhGdw0yZ8dVRsS1MjJ@mail.gmail.com">AANLkTimLm7PsXugXpX3KATdkSnrhGdw0yZ8dVRsS1MjJ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>BBC Documentaries : Wikipedia at 10<br><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/documentaries/2011/01/110111_wikipedia_at_10.shtml"
target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/documentaries/2011/01/110111_wikipedia_at_10.shtml</a><br><br><br>Featuring Sue, Jimmy, Charles Mathews, Steven and our very own Utkarsh<br>& Bishakha<br>Datta ( around minute 18-19)<br><br><br>Regards<br>Tinu Cherian<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20110117/c48caeb4/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20110117/c48caeb4/attachment-0001.htm</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:22:24 +0530<br>From: Aditya Sengupta <<a ymailto="mailto:apsengupta@gmail.com" href="mailto:apsengupta@gmail.com">apsengupta@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] A Wikimedia Foundation Fellow from<br> India<br>To: "Discussion list on
Indian language projects of Wikimedia."<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org" href="mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>Cc: Achal Prabhala <<a ymailto="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com" href="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com">aprabhala@gmail.com</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <AANLkTintGCio72HAM5XdKUGM01EAZHP+gvxe1F4n+<a ymailto="mailto:D_h@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:D_h@mail.gmail.com">D_h@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br><br>On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:00, Achal Prabhala <<a ymailto="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com" href="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com">aprabhala@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>><br>> In general, the idea is to focus on instances of a citation gap: either<br>> an already created article whose basis has been established but for<br>> which there are no citations available, or a
situation where citations<br>> cover a topic only partially, or an article that should be created but<br>> can't be because of a lack of supporting scholarly evidence.<br>><br>><br>>From the release:<br><br>To put it another way, it?s possible that the sum of published scholarly<br>work from Europe is somewhat close to the sum of ?European? knowledge, and<br>that the sum of accessible, published scholarly work in many Asian and<br>African languages is nowhere close to the corresponding body of knowledge<br>that circulates among speakers of those languages.<br><br><br>This is quite an interesting challenge. Do you have a blog (or any other<br>device) where one can follow your work in this area?<br><br>Aditya Sengupta<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20110117/89cf8666/attachment.htm"
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ymailto="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com" href="mailto:aprabhala@gmail.com">aprabhala@gmail.com</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4B106603-2C82-4D81-A136-DBD9D492D75B@gmail.com" href="mailto:4B106603-2C82-4D81-A136-DBD9D492D75B@gmail.com">4B106603-2C82-4D81-A136-DBD9D492D75B@gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251"<br><br><br>Achal,<br><br>Congratulations. This is great news!!<br>Look forward to discussing this further when we meet again!<br><br>Regards<br>Arun<br><br>Sent from my iPad<br><br>On 17-Jan-2011, at 10:32 AM, Bishakha Datta <<a ymailto="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com" href="mailto:bishakhadatta@gmail.com">bishakhadatta@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Dear all,<br>> <br>> As part of the continuing spate of good news, I'd like to congratulate Achal Prabhala for becoming the latest Wikimedia Foundation Fellow.<br>> <br>> For those of you who don't know him, Achal is a writer and researcher
in Bangalore who has participated as a volunteer in the Wikimedia movement in India and globally for years, and as a member of the Foundation?s advisory board.<br>> Achal will be conducting field research in India and rural South Africa with Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians across three languages to explore ways to compensate for the gap in published/printed sources in many local languages.<br>> <br>> More details at <a href="http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/" target="_blank">http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/</a><br>> <br>> Cheers<br>> Bishakha<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org" href="mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org">Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l"
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