[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

Fri Jun 17 15:46:05 UTC 2011

Shiju,
Does that make any of these two of my photographs on the commons illegal?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BETL-BMIC-Hosur-_Road-Junction.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden-City-Skyway-Bridge-KRPuram.jpg
Also, does the government differentiate between Photography and Videography?
--Regards,
Srikanth.

On 17 June 2011 21:12, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline at gmail.com> wrote:

> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
>> from photographing it.
>>
>
> That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State
> Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation.
> But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on
> various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier
> mails/clarifications sent by Gautham.
>
> See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing
> Indian Railway assets.
>
> http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm
>
> From there:
>
> THE OFFICIAL VERSION:
>
> India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several places
> are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad yards,
> railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are supposed
> to be of military importance.  Officials are very skittish about the whole
> thing,  and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce these
> restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at the
> station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station
> limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the
> station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call
> these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story.
>
> Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and
> extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you
> to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to:
>
> The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board,  Rail Bhavan,  New
> Delhi-110001,  India.
>
> As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by
> Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official
> document related to this.
>
> Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this
> official/unofficial policy/law through various means.
>
>
> Shiju
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikanth05 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Shiju, what problem can railways have?
>> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
>> from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is
>> it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from
>> the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are
>> shot in stations and trains?
>> If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied
>> to rail as well.
>> --Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas <pradeep.mohandas at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the
>>> driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day
>>> time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
>>>
>>> I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
>>>
>>> I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike
>>> Google Street View.
>>>
>>> Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source
>>> to where it meets the sea.
>>>
>>> It'll also be a way to map a few things.
>>>
>>> Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting
>>> discussion. Flipcams are great too!
>>>
>>> Pradeep
>>>
>>> On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna <vvcrishna at radiophony.com> wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>>> > pradeep.mohandas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
>>> >> bogey.
>>> >> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that
>>> we
>>> >> can
>>> >> use the video during daytime only.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
>>> video
>>> >> tape of all of that length of railway line.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
>>> aware
>>> > that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
>>> anyone
>>> > without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
>>> in
>>> > legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
>>> > Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
>>> to
>>> > be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
>>> this.
>>> > It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
>>> > blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
>>> >
>>> > For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
>>> reading
>>> > on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
>>> from
>>> > individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
>>> >
>>> > I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If
>>> enough
>>> > people can be found across the country who have time and access to
>>> Flips, I
>>> > doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is
>>> > willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
>>> have
>>> > seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a
>>> major
>>> > impediment either.
>>> >
>>> > With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to
>>> do
>>> > on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions,
>>> if it
>>> > is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
>>> viewpoint
>>> > (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
>>> footage.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Vickram
>>> > Fool On The Hill <http://communicall.wordpress.com>
>>> >
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> ME.
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ME.
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 My infrastructure invasion... plus other images
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I got a FLIP!!! I got a FLIP!!! I got a FLIP!!! I got a FLIP!!! I got a
FLIP!!!
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