[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Re: Indian Minister Kapil Sibal wants to censor social media

Wed Dec 7 11:59:49 UTC 2011

Adding "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" on the Wikipedia article is vandalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysubmit&diff=464355055&oldid=464353638

Addling "verifiable facts" is acceptable ( including controversies and
criticism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysubmit&diff=464367647&oldid=464366606

Hope I clarified the difference.

Regards
Tinu Cherian

P.S. On a lighter note, Please feel to add "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" , if
you can provide/prove that with "Verifiable references" from "Reliable
Sources" :)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Vickram Crishna <vvcrishna at radiophony.com>wrote:

> Oh, the mention of 'idiot' on that page is vandalism (no, I haven't done
> it - yet)? I thought we had a very interesting discussion about current
> affairs at WikiConf where there seemed to be a consensus that presenting
> every side of the picture is important.
>
> Is reporting the fact that major websites like Kafila.org and literally
> hundreds or thousands of Twitter users are tweeting the hashtag
> #IdiotKapilSibal wrong, in that case?
>
>  On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, CherianTinu Abraham <
> tinucherian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On a related note, this has appeared on *The Economic Times* :
>>
>> " Five reasons why India can't censor the Internet"
>>
>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/five-reasons-why-india-cant-censor-the-internet/articleshow/11018330.cms
>>
>>
>> "*Yes, Internet content has the permanence and public-impact potential
>> that a phone call does not, but equally, it lends itself brilliantly to
>> self-regulation. *
>> *
>> *
>> *3. Peer review works: Wikipedia is the best example. Who could have
>> imagined that a user-created encyclopedia could be so objective, and
>> comprehensive? Yes, anyone can go in and edit anything (barring entries
>> like "Kapil Sibal", which have been locked due to vandalism!). *
>> *
>> *
>> *If you make an inappropriate change, someone will come in and correct
>> it.* "
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Tinu Cherian
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> parakara.ghoda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is basically restriction of freedom of expression and it will
>>> hurt Wikipedia much more than it hurts Twitter or Facebook.
>>>
>>> On 07/12/2011, Srikanth Lakshmanan <srik.lak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:06, Achal Prabhala <aprabhala at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> fyi
>>> >>
>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>> >> Subject:        Re: [Foundation-l] Indian Minister Kapil Sibal Wants
>>> to
>>> >> Censor
>>> >> social
>>> >> Date:   Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:02:10 +0530
>>> >> From:   Achal Prabhala <aprabhala at gmail.com>
>>> >> To:     Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <
>>> >> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > I just want to write that there was a community member who seemed to
>>> be of
>>> > the notion ImageFilter is the technical fix for what Kapil Sibal is
>>> > proposing(without probably understanding / knowing much) and
>>> connecting the
>>> > two distinct things. Yes Sibal showed some images as examples for his
>>> > support, but what Sibal means is much more and prescreening of every
>>> byte
>>> > of user generated content. Please tell that member that linking up 2
>>> > different things is not a good idea. ImageFilter needs to be discussed
>>> with
>>> > its own merits / demerits and this thing that Sibal proposes means much
>>> > more than images.
>>> >
>>> > If at all the legislation comes and is being enforced, I think
>>> Wikimedia
>>> > projects are better equipped *technically* than other social media
>>> sites
>>> > cited to support the local laws(so that we need not be banned if that
>>> goes
>>> > to that extreme) with a combination of ImageFilter / FlaggedRevisions
>>> and
>>> > some more customizations, but thats not where we would like to go.
>>> > Community is already not so strong and needs support, there is so much
>>> work
>>> > to do in increasing content, censorship will cripple Indian community
>>> if
>>> > such a thing happens.
>>> >
>>> > There are many questions that the communities need to decide as to
>>> submit
>>> > to Indian laws (if at all they come through) and I hope the situation
>>> does
>>> > not arise for us to take those tough calls.
>>> >
>>> > PS : I would not like to post / join foundation-l myself since it has
>>> high
>>> > SNR IMO.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Regards
>>> > Srikanth.L
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from my mobile device
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>>
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