<div>Pessoal,</div>
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<div>A mensagem copiada abaixo abordou na lista internacional dois exemplos de movimentos internacionais (Red Cross e Esperanto), comparando-os com a Wikimedia Foundation.</div>
<div>Acho que valeria dar uma lida para pensarmos no caso brasileiro.</div>
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<div>abraços</div>
<div>Thomas</div>
<div>PS. Ele também criou uma página no meta (<a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Federation">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Federation</a>)<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Ziko van Dijk</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zvandijk@googlemail.com">zvandijk@googlemail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:46 PM<br>Subject: [Foundation-l] The Entities in an International Movement. Was: Re: Board resolutions (chapters)<br>To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <<a href="mailto:foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org">foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>
<br><br>Hello Ting,<br><br>Well, it is really difficult to know how the Esperanto community or, say,<br>the Red Cross (and Red Crescent) Movement would organize themselves if they<br>would come to life in these days. Maybe it would not be that different.<br>
<br>Let my lay out the matters with regard to different entities in an<br>international movement, with the Red Cross, Esperanto and Wikimedia as<br>examples.<br><br>First, the Core: A person or an organization that deals with the central<br>
subject of the movement, also with trademarks. In our three examples, this<br>entity has a board but not members in the way a member organization has.<br>* In the Red Cross Movement it is the International Committee of the Red<br>
Cross, founded by several nation states in 1863/64 (actually, it is not a<br>"N"GO in the strict sense). It defines the principles of the movement and<br>recognizes national organisations that then have the right to call<br>
themselves a Red Cross organisation. The committee with international<br>members has its seat in Switzerland.<br>* In the Esperanto movement, it is the Academy of Esperanto that observes<br>the usage of the language and defines rules. It was founded in 1905/06<br>
(under a different name). It is cooptating its members. Everybody has the<br>right to use the name "Esperanto", so the Academy does not recognize<br>organizations or deals with trademarks. Since 1922/34, other organisations<br>
pay contributions to facilitate the work of the Academy.<br>* In the Wikimedia movement (or "community"), it is the Wikimedia Foundation<br>that runs the projects technically and gives "local" organisations the right<br>
to use the trademarks. It was established by Jimmy Wales in 2003, in a<br>similar way Zamenhof established the Academy.<br><br>Second, national organisations:<br>* After 1864, friends of the Red Cross idea founded national organizations<br>
in several countries. They must not only be recognized by the International<br>Committee, but also by the national government.<br>* Before and after the Academy of Esperanto was founded, Esperanto speakers<br>in several countries founded national organisations, independently from each<br>
other.<br>* Since 2004, there are national (or "local") organizations of Wikimedians.<br>The organization must be recognized by the Wikimedia Foundation if it wants<br>the right to use the name Wikimedia and other trademarks.<br>
<br>Third, an international member organisation:<br>* This exists or existed only in the Esperanto movement. Because of the<br>internationalism of the language itself, in 1908 some Esperantists created<br>Universal Esperanto Association (UEA). The idea was to collect all<br>
Esperantists as direct members of UEA, although the UEA members were<br>encouraged to create organizational entities in their countries. This was<br>creating a concurrence against the already existing national organisations.<br>
* (Theoretically, one can imagine an international member organizations of<br>Wikimedians, as WMF itself is not a member organization.)<br><br>Fourth, a federation of national organizations:<br>* Besides the International Committee, the national Red Cross organizations<br>
have founded in 1919 an International Federation. Its members must be<br>societes recognized by the Committee. The Federation is the actual<br>coordinator of international Red Cross activities like banning land mines,<br>
creating large scale humanitarian projects, not the International Committee.<br>* In the Esperanto movement, the national organizations tried to create a<br>federation in concurrence to or in cooperation with the already existing<br>
UEA. In 1933/34, a compromise was settled: UEA since then still has<br>individual members on the one hand, on the other it serves as a federation<br>of the national organizations. The highest body of UEA is the committee, a<br>
kind of parliament. Some of its members are elected by the individual (EA<br>members, others are delegates from the national organizations. Most of the<br>national Esperanto organizations are affiliated to UEA, but some are not<br>
(usually because they have less than 100 national members). - After a lot of<br>negative experiences, UEA recognizes only one national organization in one<br>country. (I could elaborate, but you know my book, Ting. :-) )<br>
* And Wikimedia? How will the collaboration of the "chapters" look like in<br>future? WMF allows them to send two people to the WMF board, this creates a<br>need for more coordination and common actions between the chapters.<br>
Questions will rise like who is going to vote with how many votes.<br><br>I have put some ideas last year, when we discussed about a Wiki Council,<br>into this plan:<br><a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Federation" target="_blank">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Federation</a><br>
<br>Kind regards<br>Ziko<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>><br>><br>> By the way I am reading your book about the International Esperanto<br>> Conference. I see a lot of parallels from them and us (for example the<br>
> definition of neutrality, internationality and so on). I find it very<br>> very interesting. Thank you very much for the book. And do you think<br>> that the Esperanto community would organize strictly in national<br>
> chapters if they start today, and not more than hundred years ago?<br>><br>> Ting<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> foundation-l mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org">foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
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