<div dir="ltr">I'm fine with either, to be honest. I'm on holidays then.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Nick Jenkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nickpj@gmail.com">nickpj@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>A
mini-conf at <a href="http://Linux.Conf.Au" target="_blank">Linux.Conf.Au</a> is certainly a possibility. E.g. Brianna gave a talk
called "Who's behind Wikipedia?" in Melbourne's <a href="http://Linux.Conf.Au" target="_blank">Linux.Conf.Au</a> earlier this year,
and it was well-received, and people certainly knew of the Wikipedia, liked it,
the audience was receptive, interested, etc.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>To
outline the pros and cons:</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>Pros
of having a mini-conf:</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>*
There's much less to organise, so it's more likely to happen.
E.g.:</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>
- time and date and place are largely determined for you</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>
- accommodation is handled by someone else</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>
- same for insurance</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>
- same for registration</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>
- same for entertainment events at night</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>
- same for tea/coffee/snacks/biscuits</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>
- same for organising the venue</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* It's
an open-source-friendly and free-culture-friendly environment, so it's
receptive, and there are good opportunities for getting in contact with
like-minded groups.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>*
There will be some overlap in people who will go to this conference as would go
to a local wiki conference, so less travelling for these
folks.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* I
don't know how much registration would be for the mini-conf only, but the prices
of this conference are pretty reasonable, so I'd guestimate $80-$120 for the
mini-conf only for an adult, and less for students (but that's just a wild guess
from me, and reality may differ)</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* We
may get participation/a few memberships from people that are attending the
conference anyway, and who are sympathetic to the Wikimedian cause, but who
would not travel to separate conference.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* It's
during a common holiday time, which should hopefully give most people a chance
to attend.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>Cons
of having a mini-conf:</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* We
need to act _NOW_ and submit a mini-conf application. Closing dates for
applications for mini-conf is 8th August - that's like one week away: <a href="http://linux.conf.au/media/news/15" target="_blank">http://linux.conf.au/media/news/15</a>
, so application needs to go in *ASAP*.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* Our
application may not successful. (I think we have a good shot though.) We'd find
out the result in September: <a href="http://linux.conf.au/programme/presenter_faq" target="_blank">http://linux.conf.au/programme/presenter_faq</a></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* It's
a fairly technical crowd, and it (as the name suggests) the rest of the
conference has a bias towards Linux. So the rest of the conference may not
overlap with the interests of all Wikimedia Australia folks.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* You
cannot directly organise sponsorship (from <a href="http://linux.conf.au/programme/presenter_faq#Miniconfs" target="_blank">http://linux.conf.au/programme/presenter_faq#Miniconfs</a> :
"Please also not that mini-confs are <i>not permitted</i> to seek sponsorship
for their mini-confs - please direct any sponsorship enquiries to our <a href="mailto:ben.powell@marchsouth.org" target="_blank">Sponsor
Contact</a>")</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* Less
experience organising stuff (but conversely, more chance of it
happening).</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>*
Hobart is less of a population centre than some other cities, so may reduce
turnout a bit from locals versus if held in a larger city.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>*
Travel costs getting there may be marginally higher than if held in a larger
city.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* We
need to confirm that people can attend a mini-conf only (if they wish to), and
that the fees for this will be much less than for attending the whole
conference.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>* It's on a Monday/Tuesday, rather than a
weekend.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>So
given the imminent deadline for mini-conf applications, I'm going to call for
some kind of consensus on whether we should submit for an application, or
whether we should instead try to organise a separate event. (I'm not sure if
this should be done via email or on a wiki somewhere, so if you think
there's a better format for resolving this, please say so and send us a link).
We either need to make a decision, or one will be made for us when the
submissions deadline passes.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>Me
personally, I'm happy with either a mini-conf, or a separate one or two day
local conference elsewhere, I will try and attend either way, and don't feel
strongly either way.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>-- All
the best,</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span>Nick.</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><div class="Ih2E3d">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:wikimediaau-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org" target="_blank">wikimediaau-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:wikimediaau-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org" target="_blank">wikimediaau-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel
Bryant<br></div><div class="Ih2E3d"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 30 July 2008 12:31 PM<br><b>To:</b>
Wikimedia-au<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Melbourne Wikimania
2010<br><br></div></font></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
<div dir="ltr">Acting on the presumption that we would use this weekend (a big
presumption, I know, but it's handy given a lot of OS people are down that way
on this weekend in Hobart), we basically need to decide what is more
convenient:<br><br>*Not having to arrange a venue and getting everyone to
Hobart on a Monday or a Tuesday<br>*Arranging a venue in Melbourne and hoping
that the Linux/WMAU people from Hobart will duck up after the Saturday
event<br><br>If we're looking for a one-day conference either could work; a
two day conference (which may be overkill) will not with the first, unless we
hold it on the weekend before Linux. The downside of holding it at Linux is
it's a Mon/Tue, but that might not be so bad given it's January (ie. holidays
for many).<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Angela <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beesley@gmail.com" target="_blank">beesley@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Daniel Bryant <<a href="mailto:dbwiki@gmail.com" target="_blank">dbwiki@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Is
Linux one day, or both? if it's one, maybe we could hold it in
Melbourne<br>> on the other day of the weekend. I'd certainly be happy to
jump across to<br>> Melbourne for a weekend<br><br></div>It's a whole
week. They have "mini-confs" on Monday and Tuesday. Any<br>open source
project can apply to hold one. This is where WMAU could<br>fit it. I'm not
saying it's the best option for us - just an<br>alternative to be
considered.<br><br>Then the main conference is Wednesday, Thursday and
Friday and a<br>closing event on Saturday (January 24th).<br>
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