Hi, Nemo,
Can you please find that specific page/formulation of the principle?
I'd like to reference it from point 1 of
https://www.mediawiki.org/
wiki/Principles but I couldn't find it with a quick search. (Note, it's
not really *universally* accepted as a wiki principle.)
It is at
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiDesignPrinciples
Hi, Samuel,
Now we have so much metadata about pages and edits, we could cluster
results in a more meaningful way...
Yes! If Summly can help people read news, why not to observe wiki in a more
meaningful way?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_D'Aloisio
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Mingli Yuan, 05/06/2014 19:43:
>
> If you visit the early page of
c2.com, you will find the idea
>> of observability is one pillar principle of wiki software, and just follow
>> the idea, Ward invent the RecentChanges for all wikis.
>>
>
> Can you please find that specific page/formulation of the principle?
I'd like to reference it from point 1 of
https://www.mediawiki.org/
wiki/Principles but I couldn't find it with a quick search. (Note, it's
not really *universally* accepted as a wiki principle.)
> Some rather big software development projects have failed, recently, in
> ways that a simple checklist like the page above could have avoided. So
> this is an important conversation to have.
>
>
>
>> At that time c2 is very small; now Wikipedia is so big. The original idea
>> of RecentChanges is not very effective today.
>>
>
> Nor in 2002. :)
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TooManyRecentChanges
>
>
> We had made some extension
>> for the original idea in our mediawiki software, but I think the step is
>> too small.
>>
>> Let's first take a look of what we had already invented are similar to
>> RecentChanges but more effective:
>>
>> * Wikizine or Signpost: community stories every week
>> * some part of a Portal: recent changes under a subject compiled by human
>>
>> Still possible for other kind of RecentChanges which is not invented yet,
>> for example:
>> * References and external links are very valuable resources, why not
>> extract them from articles and compile them into a timeline?
>>
>
> None of these escapes
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RecentChangesIsNotTheWiki ;
> some have failed before:
http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RoleOfRecentChanges
>
>
>
>> Content is only one aspect to observe, people are another:
>>
>
> Attention, we're radically rooted in
http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/
> ContentOverCommunity
>
>
> * Who are the experts on some topics?
>> * Who are my buddies on some articles?
>> * Who did help me to improve an article originally I wrote?
>>
>> In all, we may reshape our technical infrastructure in this direction for
>> new spaces of participation. And finally, one open question for the system
>> designer:
>>
>> * Towards better content and community, what is the most important things
>> we want our user to observe?
>>
>
> I'm not sure that's the right question. Anyway, more reading:
>
http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/back=CategoryRecentChanges
>
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?search=RecentChanges
>
> Nemo
>
>
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