[Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

[Itzik Edri]

Ting, you completely twisted things. I didn't criticize Election Committee,
or blamed them. Especially I didn't said they doing a bad job. I didn't
even mentioned them. I just raised the issue and said clearly that it is
something that has been around from the previous elections and wondered
whether we should consider the issue. Your offended tone and defensiveness
is not helpful to the discussion.


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Ting Chen <wing.philopp at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hello Itzik
>
> yes, you are right.
>
> But, and this is a very big but. You organized Wikimania yourself, you
> know how much unseen and unthankable and unbelievable complicated and
> unnecessary work behind all the shiny things. The election committee is
> also a volunteer driven committee. It is a tremendous effort. They have
> weekly meeting since February, and they did a lot of things. It is unfair
> to stand out now and say you are doing a bad job.
>
> Greetings
> Ting
>
>
> Am 4/30/2013 11:24 AM, schrieb Itzik Edri:
>
>> Ting, Risker,
>>
>> 1. To share thoughts and feedback about the elections, you don't must to
>> be
>> volunteer  in the committee.
>>
>> 2. I indeed thought about it only when I saw the centralnotice and read
>> the
>> voting requirement, I may needed to raise it before. But it's still
>> doesn't
>> mean we need to ignore from this issue
>>
>> Itzik
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Ting Chen <wing.philopp at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>  Hello dear all,
>>>
>>> I would also like to ask everyone who has made their thoughts on the
>>> election to take part on the election committee themselves the next time.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately when I made the call for volunteer earlier this year not
>>> very many people responded.
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>> Ting
>>>
>>> Am 4/30/2013 12:57 AM, schrieb Risker:
>>>
>>>   On 29 April 2013 18:48, Asaf Bartov <abartov at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Itzik Edri <itzik at infra.co.il>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   I agree. We should limit it to only community members, or to give
>>>>> equal
>>>>>
>>>>>> right to everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asaf, you right, but we are talking also about the FDC elections. a
>>>>>> processes where we are not granting chapters and others organizations
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> right to vote but granting to the WMF. Giving only WMF staff, and not
>>>>>> chapters staff the right to vote in community process, it's like
>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  the
>>>>>
>>>>>  first are part of the community, but the second are not. I don't even
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  want
>>>>>
>>>>>  to refer to the sensitive issue of the staff voting for their
>>>>>> "bosses"..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   That's a very good point, and I think the chapter board members and
>>>>>>
>>>>> staff
>>>>> definitely _should_ be given a voice _at least_ in the FDC elections.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> leave it to the Elections Committee to propose solutions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   The Elections Committee posted its plan weeks before the election
>>>>>
>>>> started,
>>>> with hardly any commentary at all; it is only now, after candidates may
>>>> start entering the race, that people are complaining that we've failed
>>>> to
>>>> give the "right" people a vote (or alternately, that we've given too
>>>> many
>>>> people a vote).  There is almost no variation between the voter
>>>> eligibility
>>>> this year and in the previous election; the only relevant changes are
>>>> dates
>>>> for eligibility and the developer commit process (which was changed
>>>> because
>>>> the Engineering Department changed the way that commits were done).
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that those who would like to see changes at the next election
>>>> post on the election post mortem page[1] now, so that these ideas aren't
>>>> lost to time.
>>>>
>>>> Risker (Election Committee Member)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/****wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_**<http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_**>
>>>> elections_2013/Post_mortem<htt**p://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/**
>>>> Wikimedia_Foundation_**elections_2013/Post_mortem<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2013/Post_mortem>
>>>> >
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