Hey Steven<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steven Walling <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steven.walling@gmail.com">steven.walling@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Just throwing my two cents in as someone relatively new to Wikimania but not unexperienced in conferences, I would make three points. Forgive me if someone said these before in a better way.<div><br></div><div>1. Wikimania isn't actually that big. I agree with Harel when he points out that the level of overhead involved in organizing is a barrier to strong bids, but still, my understanding is that Wikimania tends to draw less than a thousand people. That's about the size of a municipal or regional technical conference in my experience.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well the issue isn't exactly about how large Wikimania is, its the large number of countries the visitors come from. I would guess that the number is far larger than any regional or technical conference, ahead of any similar organization- Mozilla Drumbeat for example, would had a smaller group of countries represented than the last Wikimania. With such a diversified group comes travel issues- Visa, Airfare, restrictions, not to mention other cultural and logistic issues far to numerous to mention.</div>
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<div><br></div><div>2. Even if Wikimania is not relatively big when it comes to technology conferences, the problem is growing a strong local team of volunteers in a new place every year. That's very, very hard. We're not unique in having that difficulty as a movement, but I don't think it means we should abandon volunteer-based organization for the event. </div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's why a Wikimania Committee would have been the ideal solution, an oversight body that can retain this experience. Of course, we're not talking about abandoning the volunteer-based method, but perhaps bringing in outside help.</div>
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<div><br></div><div>3. Making Wikimania biannual will only serve to create more pressure on a new local team to create a huge, unique event, not lessen it. If we think Wikimania is too much to have as a rotating single yearly conference, I would suggest (and this isn't a new idea or mine alone) that we pick one or two semi-permanent locations on different continents and hold them regularly in those places. Say, one in Bangalore, one in Berlin, one in San Francisco, as examples, and hold them on a rotating basis. </div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Did you mean Biennial or biannual ? Harel made that mistake earlier :-) Having Semi-permanent locations is also a good idea, but they should ideally be located along with established chapters. I know Bangalore for example might not be in a position to host an event yet.</div>
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<div><br></div><div>However you do it, a greater number of smaller, distributed events is the solution for easing the pressure of a single monolithic conference.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ya but it wouldn't be the one event on everyone's radar like Wikimania is currently, "A wiki freak show on the other side of the world" as Delphine put it eloquently. Its the largest event for Wikipedians, and its going to grow whether we like it or not, its just an eventuality of venturing into new geographies and demographics.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br><br></div><div><br>Theo</div><div>Salmaan Haroon</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:02 AM, theo10011 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:de10011@gmail.com" target="_blank">de10011@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Casey Brown <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lists@caseybrown.org" target="_blank">lists@caseybrown.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, theo10011 <<a href="mailto:de10011@gmail.com" target="_blank">de10011@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Also, about what Dalton said above, about hiring a single event<br>
> planner/manager in the chapter, I think it's still far from being able to<br>
> manage a Wikimania style event professionally. Unless they are experienced<br>
> with International event planning, its still going to be a very large task<br>
> for any single chapter.<br>
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</div>It's a large task for a single chapter to plan Wikimania with the help<br>
of a paid event professional? Our Wikimanias have been planned by a<br>
lot less -- usually just a group of hard-working Wikimedians, some<br>
with the help of a chapter, some not. :-)<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Allow me to reiterate, I meant its a demanding task for any group, let alone an individual planner. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Our Wikimanias have also been getting larger and more complicated, I think thats one of the central issues. I only suggested, maybe its time to consider outside/professional help?</div>
<div> </div><div><br></div><div>Theo</div></div>
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