I do like the idea of wikimania wide speed dating.
As for discussions, those may be carried out in an improvised way throughout the
conference, but to be most effective they should appear in the printed schedule, and
placed in a time slot in which they do not collide with a similar talk or panel. such
talks must be known and submitted and placed in the schedule at least two month before the
conference taking in mind the graphics and printing time.
(this year the printed program did not list a description of the talks and just gave
title, and i hope next year will have a detailed program and perhaps a small short one
inside the name tags again).
This does not mean that additional discussion may not be added later or closer to the
conference, but again - from my experience without proper listing of it beforehand it is
not as effective. In DC I try to hold a discussion (such as this one) on the future of
wikimania and its shape, during the unconference and very few came. This year the pannel
attracted much more attention.
Deror
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On 19 באוג 2013, at 01:55, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:
Hi Deror,
while I appreciate your efforts, I feel it necessary to object to the picture you draw
here about the discussions.
Already in a very early stage I contacted the program committee, asking if it would be
possible to set up a proper room for discussion tracks, and I even proposed a method to
come to actual topics (and not outdated ones). However, the program committee insisted
that I should simply 'submit' them as regular sessions. This is not how
discussions work! There should be much more flexibility and much later deadlines for
discussion sessions.
I don't mean to blame anyone here, I just want to point out that because of how
things went, I don't think it is fair to simply extrapolate. A full discussion track
is very well possible, if you announce it as such, give it the tools it needs, and put a
proper procedure in place for suggestions. The deadline should rather be 1 week before the
conference than 3 months.
I think I can come up with at least 5 people (not even counting you) who would be willing
to lead one or two discussions, and who I think are capable to do so in a neutral way. At
least, if organized.
The hot seat model sounds interesting, although I would personally prefer to make
Wikimania /less/ about WMF and more about the community.
Another very different model that has been suggested many times but nobody has worked it
out: wikimania wide speed dating. Set one plenary session aside, and allocate people table
numbers. Yes, this includes the keynote speakers, Wikimania volunteers/organizers, board
members and /all/ staff members that are in town! And connect them semi-randomly (ideally
avoiding similar people somewhat). If we do that at the beginning of the conference,
I'm sure that the rest will be so much more vivid and effective! Because after one
hour of 8 x 5 min you know at least 8 people you never spoke before and probably would not
have talked with otherwise!
I'd love to find more ways to use Wikimania effectively to strengthen the community
ties and improve exchange of thoughts and knowledge.
Lodewijk
2013/8/18 Deror Avi <deror_avi(a)yahoo.com>
A Few emails have been circulating re the content and the programme of the conference,
and I wish to put in my two cents.
This year a track of "discussions" have been introduced. Though a full track
(and rooms) have been set aside for this, a total of one discussion has been proposed to
the programme committee (and has been accepted of course).
I do agree with what Louis suggest, and with some of the things suggested. The breaks
should remain breaks – time to rest, have coffee and have informal talks which are an
important part of Wikimania. Time should also be set aside for discussions and for
lightning talks, but the fact is – the community who comes to the conference does not
propose discussions (and nobody volunteers to lead them). My experience from past
conferences is that the "unconference" day is a waste of time. Most people
already leave the conference and go touring or go home, and do not stay for the
unconference talks.
The fact is – no one wanted to lead a discussion this year, and no one came and said
"I want a basic course of Wikipedia editing".
What we can do different next year is to "impose" some discussion time. I have
suggested during the conference that next year we will have a discussion track set aside,
where, for example, one day, every half hour, one WMF board member will be in the
"hot seat" answering questions, the best of which will be asked again in the
Q&A session for the whole gathering to hear. On the second day, WMF teams will be in
the hot sit to answer legal or technical questions.
I also suggest that WMF stuff will submit talks in which they conduct a tutorial to
various aspects such as the visual editor, wikidata etc – but this is of course up to them
to submit, and for the entire conference programme committee to approve.
As to the number of tracks – as I have shown in my lecture – this has not really changed
in the past 8 years (with the exception of DC due to the large number of attendees) and I
think four tracks + 2 workshops/tutorials + 1 discussion is a good composition for next
year as well.
And by "four tracks" I mean four presentations or panels tracks. This does not
meant the entire time there will be four tracks. The conference may have 8 or 12 subject
tracks (such as "women", "Asia", "GLAM",
"culture", and the best submissions of all will be chosed and placed, thus a
track may only be in one session of the conference if only one good panel or 3 good
lectures have been submitted). I do believe that a conference session should be 90 minutes
of which 3 * 30 sessions (allowing 25 min session + 5 min Q&A) but this is flexible,
and can be 90 min panel and discussion, or 30 min talk + 30 min panel + 30 min discussion,
or any other variant. But this also enables a 30 min break every two hours which is
important.
I personally (in my biased opinion) think the programme was good, and believe that a
situation where the attendees say "there are two good things to listen to right now,
which one will I chose" only leads to wanting to come again next year (as opposed to
"there is noting interesting right now, I will go back to the hotel and rest").
Deror
(Deputy programme chair for Wikimania 2011, 2012 and 2013)
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 02:46:32 -0700
From: Luis Villa <lvilla(a)wikimedia.org>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] A thought: Different tracks
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On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I would prefer more of Wikimania to be
interactive and
discussion-oriented; perhaps you would prefer more to be
presentation-oriented. That's a good tradeoff for a program team to
discuss. But presenters could then think consciously about which of
these modes they intend to participate in.
a simple change, the default language for submissions could be shifted
from "presentations" (currently used repeatedly as the 'default' term
to
describe what is going on) to "discussions and presentations" or something
along those lines. Simply that reminder that presentations aren't the only
way to have a session at the conference might go a long way towards opening
things up.
Luis
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