Hi Deror,
while I appreciate your efforts, I feel it necessary to object to the
picture you draw here about the discussions.
Already in a very early stage I contacted the program committee, asking if
it would be possible to set up a proper room for discussion tracks, and I
even proposed a method to come to actual topics (and not outdated ones).
However, the program committee insisted that I should simply 'submit' them
as regular sessions. This is not how discussions work! There should be much
more flexibility and much later deadlines for discussion sessions.
I don't mean to blame anyone here, I just want to point out that because of
how things went, I don't think it is fair to simply extrapolate. A full
discussion track is very well possible, if you announce it as such, give it
the tools it needs, and put a proper procedure in place for suggestions.
The deadline should rather be 1 week before the conference than 3 months.
I think I can come up with at least 5 people (not even counting you) who
would be willing to lead one or two discussions, and who I think are
capable to do so in a neutral way. At least, if organized.
The hot seat model sounds interesting, although I would personally prefer
to make Wikimania /less/ about WMF and more about the community.
Another very different model that has been suggested many times but nobody
has worked it out: wikimania wide speed dating. Set one plenary session
aside, and allocate people table numbers. Yes, this includes the keynote
speakers, Wikimania volunteers/organizers, board members and /all/ staff
members that are in town! And connect them semi-randomly (ideally avoiding
similar people somewhat). If we do that at the beginning of the conference,
I'm sure that the rest will be so much more vivid and effective! Because
after one hour of 8 x 5 min you know at least 8 people you never spoke
before and probably would not have talked with otherwise!
I'd love to find more ways to use Wikimania effectively to strengthen the
community ties and improve exchange of thoughts and knowledge.
Lodewijk
2013/8/18 Deror Avi <deror_avi(a)yahoo.com>
A Few emails have been circulating re the content and
the programme of
the conference, and I wish to put in my two cents.
This year a track of "discussions" have been introduced. Though a full
track (and rooms) have been set aside for this, a total of one discussion
has been proposed to the programme committee (and has been accepted of
course).
I do agree with what Louis suggest, and with some of the things suggested.
The breaks should remain breaks – time to rest, have coffee and have
informal talks which are an important part of Wikimania. Time should also
be set aside for discussions and for lightning talks, but the fact is – the
community who comes to the conference does not propose discussions (and
nobody volunteers to lead them). My experience from past conferences is
that the "unconference" day is a waste of time. Most people already leave
the conference and go touring or go home, and do not stay for the
unconference talks.
The fact is – no one wanted to lead a discussion this year, and no one
came and said "I want a basic course of Wikipedia editing".
What we can do different next year is to "impose" some discussion time. I
have suggested during the conference that next year we will have a
discussion track set aside, where, for example, one day, every half hour,
one WMF board member will be in the "hot seat" answering questions, the
best of which will be asked again in the Q&A session for the whole
gathering to hear. On the second day, WMF teams will be in the hot sit to
answer legal or technical questions.
I also suggest that WMF stuff will submit talks in which they conduct a
tutorial to various aspects such as the visual editor, wikidata etc – but
this is of course up to them to submit, and for the entire conference
programme committee to approve.
As to the number of tracks – as I have shown in my lecture – this has not
really changed in the past 8 years (with the exception of DC due to the
large number of attendees) and I think four tracks + 2 workshops/tutorials
+ 1 discussion is a good composition for next year as well.
And by "four tracks" I mean four presentations or panels tracks. This does
not meant the entire time there will be four tracks. The conference may
have 8 or 12 subject tracks (such as "women", "Asia",
"GLAM", "culture",
and the best submissions of all will be chosed and placed, thus a track may
only be in one session of the conference if only one good panel or 3 good
lectures have been submitted). I do believe that a conference session
should be 90 minutes of which 3 * 30 sessions (allowing 25 min session + 5
min Q&A) but this is flexible, and can be 90 min panel and discussion, or
30 min talk + 30 min panel + 30 min discussion, or any other variant. But
this also enables a 30 min break every two hours which is important.
I personally (in my biased opinion) think the programme was good, and
believe that a situation where the attendees say "there are two good things
to listen to right now, which one will I chose" only leads to wanting to
come again next year (as opposed to "there is noting interesting right now,
I will go back to the hotel and rest").
Deror
(Deputy programme chair for Wikimania 2011, 2012 and 2013)
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 02:46:32 -0700
From: Luis Villa <lvilla(a)wikimedia.org>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] A thought: Different tracks
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On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I would prefer more of Wikimania to be
interactive and
discussion-oriented; perhaps you would prefer more to be
presentation-oriented. That's a good tradeoff for a program team to
discuss. But presenters could then think consciously about which of
these modes they intend to participate in.
a simple change, the default language for submissions could be shifted
from "presentations" (currently used repeatedly as the 'default' term
to
describe what is going on) to "discussions and presentations" or something
along those lines. Simply that reminder that presentations aren't the only
way to have a session at the conference might go a long way towards
opening
things up.
Luis
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