<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romaine_wiki@yahoo.com" target="_blank">romaine_wiki@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:<br>
<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice</a></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>Discussion kicks off there!</div><div><br></div><div>-- Karthik. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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Romaine<br>
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On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <<a href="mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org">lodewijk@effeietsanders.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner<br>
To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <<a href="mailto:wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org">wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM<br>
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(oh, and ps: probably native<br>
countries like the US and GB work very differently than<br>
non-native English countries. Here participate would<br>
definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would<br>
only be confusing. But that is probably stating the<br>
obvious)<br>
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2013/9/11 Lodewijk<br>
<<a href="mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org">lodewijk@effeietsanders.org</a>><br>
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I think there are two major factors in our<br>
image count: <br>
1) new participants, people who never edited<br>
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more<br>
than 100 images<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The highest contribution to the number of images<br>
is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of<br>
images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.<br>
The banner has primarily an influence on 1),<br>
which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a<br>
change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that<br>
coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly<br>
situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In<br>
some other countries, there are more banners competing even<br>
(like in NL, a conference banner with call for<br>
speakers). <br>
<br>
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<br>
Another way than the wording, is the<br>
design. <br>
I would suggest we continue this 'what is the<br>
best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep<br>
it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for<br>
that? <br>
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Lodewijk<br>
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2013/9/11 Michael<br>
Maggs <<a href="mailto:Michael@maggs.name">Michael@maggs.name</a>><br>
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Both <br>
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<br>
"Snap a snapshot for<br>
Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves<br>
Monuments"<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
are the best I<br>
have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as<br>
the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%<br>
?<br>
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Michael<br>
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On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,<br>
Peter Ekman wrote:<br>
I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted<br>
in the last few days. It's fairly important to<br>
determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be<br>
something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation<br>
in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner<br>
display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop<br>
happen in most countries? We don't have full control<br>
over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space<br>
with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some<br>
of their displays if we ask nicely.<br>
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<br>
I do agree that changing the banner from<br>
time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of<br>
""Participate<br>
in the world's largest photo-contest and<br>
help Wikipedia,"<br>
would help any. The imperative verb<br>
"Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to<br>
American English speakers. It suggests a high school home<br>
economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies<br>
to the annual bake-off. Something more active is<br>
definitely needed, something along the line (but not<br>
exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out<br>
there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get<br>
some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of<br>
attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g.<br>
"About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)<br>
upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
"Snap"<br>
might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the<br>
action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike<br>
"participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic<br>
site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or<br>
maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun<br>
"It's a snap, Wiki Loves<br>
Monuments"<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I don't<br>
think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,<br>
but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up<br>
with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound<br>
bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or<br>
dialects should be considered separately, as translations<br>
are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might<br>
mean something entirely different in British<br>
English<br>
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