<DIV>This "rule" requires sysops to have to have all of the policy pages available at hand. Fine. Then give me a table of contents.</DIV>
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<DIV>RickK<BR><BR><B><I>Phil Sandifer <sandifer@sbcglobal.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">It does seem to me, however, that if a case of a sysop alleged to be <BR>abusing their blocking powers came up to the arbcom, the arbcom would <BR>be within their rights to put that specific sysop on "blocking <BR>probation" similar to the revert probation Wik was on, whereby he had <BR>to explain all reverts. But I agree, it does not appear to be in the <BR>province of the arbcom to make the policy that all administrators must <BR>set forth in the block log a reference to a given part of the policy. <BR>In the case in question, I think proposed policy 3 is reasonable and <BR>acceptable, but 1, I think, does overstep the arbcom's bounds, as it is <BR>not currently in the blocking policy that the part of the policy must <BR>be cited.<BR><BR>That said, I don't think this is a case where it matters particularly - <BR>it's not a bad rule and all.<BR><BR>-Snowspinner<BR><BR>On Aug 1, 2004,
at 7:22 PM, Finlay McWalter wrote:<BR><BR>> I agree entirely with Rick. A policy is anything that affects future <BR>> conduct by parties unrelated to the matter before the AC. Fred's <BR>> original posting read "...It would require any administrator...". The <BR>> AC has no powers whatever to make requirements of the conduct of "any" <BR>> wikipedian.<BR>><BR>> This is clearly either policy making or policy clarification, neither <BR>> of which the AC is constituted to do. If a policy requires <BR>> clarification then only the body of the wikipedia may do so. The AC <BR>> is not a court; its decisions do not constitute jurisprudence.<BR>><BR>> Please don't get me wrong: I understand its members do a thankless, <BR>> unpleasant task, dealing calmy with those many of us would gladly see <BR>> (metaphorically) hang. But this is clearly policy making, and that's <BR>> not the AC's job.<BR>><BR>> FIn<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Rick
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> OK. I said that for the arbitration committee to try to make policy <BR>>> is outside the scope of their charter. I was told that they were not <BR>>> making policy, they were only pointing to it. They are trying to <BR>>> require sysops to point to a policy page when they block a user. <BR>>> When I asked where the policy is that says that a sysop has to do <BR>>> that, you say that this is not a policy, but what is proposed. <BR>>> Therefore, my original point stands. The arbitration committee is <BR>>> trying to create policy, and this is outside of the scope of their <BR>>> charter, and therefore what they're trying to do is unacceptable.<BR>>> RickK<BR>>> Fred Bauder <FREDBAUD@CTELCO.NET>wrote:<BR>>> It has not been, but that is what is proposed.<BR>>> Fred<BR>>> From: Rick <GIANTSRICK13@YAHOO.COM><BR>>> Reply-To: English Wikipedia <WIKIEN-L@WIKIPEDIA.ORG><BR>>>
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:09:19 -0700 (PDT)<BR>>> To: English Wikipedia <WIKIEN-L@WIKIPEDIA.ORG><BR>>> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking policy<BR>>> When has it ever been policy that a sysop must point to a policy page <BR>>> when blocking a user?<BR>>> RickK<BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> WikiEN-l mailing list<BR>>> WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org<BR>>> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l<BR>>> __________________________________________________<BR>>> Do You Yahoo!?<BR>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <BR>>> http://mail.yahoo.com <BR>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>>> --<BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> WikiEN-l mailing list<BR>>> WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org<BR>>>
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