<DIV>That doesn't seem to be an option any longer. No, instead, we're going to have a months-long runup to a mediation process, a months-long mediation process, a months-long runup to an arbitration process, a months-long arbitration process, and then maybe, just maybe, somebody will, someday when they get around to it, propose banning.</DIV>
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<DIV>RickK<BR><BR><B><I>"Mills, Billy" <billy.mills@thomson.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>KNOTT, T wrote:</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>>What's to stop them</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>posting huge long rants where they insult a number of users at once? </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Maybe an immediate ban if they do so?</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Billy</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: KNOTT, T [<A href="mailto:TKNOTT@qcl.org.uk">mailto:TKNOTT@qcl.org.uk</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: 21 January 2004 14:35</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>To: English Wikipedia</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: RE: [WikiEN-l] Quacks Like a Duck</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>Wes yes I know we'll recognise them fairly quickly. But I suspect that</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>most users under this sort of ban will flout it very quickly. I suspect</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>that we be spending much of our time catching them out. Also 10 edits a</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>day is plenty enough to be rude about people. What's to stop them</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>posting huge long rants where they insult a number of users at once? </FONT></P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>I don't want to put too much of a downer on the idea. It might make some</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>people shape up. It's certainly nice to give some sort of warning to</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>give them a chance.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Theresa</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: Fred Bauder [<A href="mailto:fredbaud@ctelco.net">mailto:fredbaud@ctelco.net</A>] </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>Sent: 21 January 2004 14:27</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>To: English Wikipedia</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: [WikiEN-l] Quacks Like a Duck</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>When a quacking duck flys into view, one knows.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Fred</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>> From: "KNOTT, T" <TKNOTT@qcl.org.uk></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l@Wikipedia.org></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:12:57 -0000</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l@Wikipedia.org></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Warning shot - will it work ?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> How will we know when a limited edit user has gone anon ? Even if we</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> suspect that IP such and such is user so and so we couldn't prove it</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>was</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> them. IPs identify the machine not the user.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> Theresa</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> From: Magnus Manske [<A href="mailto:magnus.manske@web.de">mailto:magnus.manske@web.de</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>> Sent: 21 January 2004 13:50</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> To: English Wikipedia</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] MNH, again</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> I just had this idea (not necessarily related to MNH):</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> As a "warning shot" from one of out countless committees, a</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> "problematic" user could be limited to a fixed number of edits per</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>day.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> That way, he can</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> * either waste these edits on stuff that gets reverted anyway,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> * or use them more wisely,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> * or leave if he doesn't think he can limit himself to "decent" edits</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> As example, I'd say 10 edits per day, for one week. Just to have some</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> figures.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> Circumventing these measures by creating an alternate user name or</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>going</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> anon will result in immediate banning.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> Magnus</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> (who thinks a little discipline won't harm the project;-)</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> Fred Bauder wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> The members of the mediation and arbitration committees need to get</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>on</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> stick. You can keep the pressure on...</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> Fred</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>>> From: "KNOTT, T"
<TKNOTT@qcl.org.uk></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>> Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l@Wikipedia.org></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:49:50 -0000</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>> To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l@Wikipedia.org></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>> Subject: RE: [WikiEN-l] MNH, again</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>>> What do we need to do to get the arbitration process sorted out</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> quickly?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>> _______________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> WikiEN-l mailing list</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>> <A href="http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l"
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