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<DIV><SPAN class=126402618-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Lir,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126402618-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126402618-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Please
stop discussing Asimov on the mailing list. You have bigger fish to fry, and
besides issues like whose version is more NPOV are best addressed in the Talk
pages -- not on the mailing list.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126402618-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126402618-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If I
were a Moderator of the mailing list, I wouldn't even have let the message below
be distributed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126402618-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126402618-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>C'mon,
work with me here, buddy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126402618-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=126402618-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Uncle
Ed</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Bridget [name omitted for privacy reasons]
[mailto:lapollutionestsimauvaise@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February
13, 2003 6:40 AM<BR><B>To:</B> wikien-l@wikipedia.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[WikiEN-l] The Bewildering Stories Quote<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P>Although I disagree with stating that many people feel Nightfall is the
bestest sci-fi short story ever (as it leads to a ridiculous degree of
redundancy where every article will assert its importance and popularity) I do
think the quote should more or less remain, although perhaps it should be
somewhat modified given the above-mentioned re-quoting:</P>
<P><EM>Asimov met editor Frederik Pohl, who discussed Asimov's rejections and
<BR></EM>><I> later printed a number of stories in Astonishing Stories and
<BR></I>><I> Super-Science Stories (Clute and Edwards 56; Asimov, "Letters"
12). <BR></I>><I> These stories led to the publication of some of the most
famous <BR></I>><I> science-fiction stories of all time: the positronic
robot stories, the<BR></I><I> Foundation stories, and
"Nightfall."</I></P>
<P>Certainly there is no need to restate the whole paragraph, but note that
the robot stories are ALL short stories, with Nightfall being a standalone of
note. </P>
<P>I would rewrite the relevant section as so:</P>
<P>Asimov began contributing stories to science fiction magazines in <A
class=internal title=1939 href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939">1939</A>;
his short story "<A class=new title=Nightfall
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Nightfall&action=edit"><FONT
color=#cc2200>Nightfall</FONT></A>" (<A class=internal title=1941
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941">1941</A>) is described in
<EM>Bewildering Stories</EM>, issue 8, as one of "the most famous
science-fiction stories of all time" <A class=external
title=http://www.bewilderingstories.com/issue8/asimov.html
href="http://www.bewilderingstories.com/issue8/asimov.html"><FONT
color=#3366bb>[1]</FONT></A>, along with his robot stories. </P>
<P>The <A class=internal title=Robot
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot">robot</A> stories, many of which
were collected in <EM><A class=internal title="I, Robot"
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%2C_Robot">I, Robot</A></EM> (<A
class=internal title=1950 href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950">1950</A>),
promulgated a set of ethical rules for intelligent
machines (<EM>see</EM> <A class=internal title="Three Laws Of Robotics"
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_Of_Robotics">Three Laws Of
Robotics</A>), an idea which greatly influenced other writers and
thinkers. One such short story, <EM><A class=new
title="The Bicentennial Man (short story)"
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=The_Bicentennial_Man_(short_story)&action=edit"><FONT
color=#cc2200>The Bicentennial Man</FONT></A></EM> has been made
into a movie.</P>
<P>In <A class=internal title=1942
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942">1942</A> he began the
<EM>Foundation</EM> stories, later collected in the <EM><A class=internal
title="Foundation Trilogy"
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_Trilogy">Foundation
Trilogy</A></EM>: <EM><A class=internal title=Foundation
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation">Foundation</A></EM> (<A
class=internal title=1951 href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951">1951</A>),
<EM><A class=new title="Foundation and Empire"
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Foundation_and_Empire&action=edit"><FONT
color=#cc2200>Foundation and Empire</FONT></A></EM> (<A class=internal
title=1952 href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952">1952</A>), and <EM><A
class=new title="Second Foundation"
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Second_Foundation&action=edit"><FONT
color=#cc2200>Second Foundation</FONT></A></EM> (<A class=internal title=1953
href="http://www!.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953">1953</A>), which recount the
collapse and rebirth of an interstellar empire. Years later, he continued the
series with <EM><A class=internal title="Foundation's Edge"
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation%27s_Edge">Foundation's
Edge</A></EM> (<A class=internal title=1982
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982">1982</A>) and <EM><A class=internal
title="Foundation and Earth"
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_and_Earth">Foundation and
Earth</A></EM> (<A class=internal title=1986
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986">1986</A>) and then wrote the
prequels, <EM><A class=internal title="Prelude to Foundation"
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_Foundation">Prelude to
Foundation</A></EM> (<A class=internal title=1988
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988">1988</A>) and <EM><A class=new
title="Forward the Foundation"
href="http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Forward_the_Foundation&action=edit">!
<FONT color=#cc2200>Forward the Foundation</FONT></A></EM> (<A class=internal
title=1992 href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992">1992</A>). </P>
<P>He also wrote a spoof science article <EM><A class=internal
title=Thiotimoline href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiotimoline">The
Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline</A></EM> in 1948 which he
feared would affect the obtaining of his degree. </P>
<P>My version, no longer refers to the empire of foundations as being vast (as
certainly there have ben sci-fi empires in comparison to which this one was
small and insignificant) nor does it refer to Foundations as Asimov's most
famous work. (Which begs the question of whether Nightfall or Foundations is
more famous and popular) It also fails to note that Robin Williams was the
star of Bicentennial Man, as that seems to be information which belongs on the
page for Bicentennial Man, and is hardly directly relevent to the topic at
hand. My version also mentions the word "robots" a little less and does not
note that the effects of the Rules of Robotics were mostly limited to people
writing in the same field as Isaac Asimov, that being somewhat obvious. My
version also does not describe the empire of Foundations as being
"futuristic", as talk of an interstellar empire and science fiction is
inherently futuristic. Even Star Wars, despite being technically in the past,
is still s! o clearly futuristic that to mention it is over-stating and
redundant. <BR></P>
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