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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=126172318-10022003>Zoe
has promised to be on her best behavior, and there doesn't seem to be a strong
chorus of objection, so I don't see why she shouldn't be made a
sysop.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=126172318-10022003>If I
recall correctly, it's a privilege automatically granted "for the asking"
anyway.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=126172318-10022003>Any
last minute comments, before I run the "promotion" script for
Zoe?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=126172318-10022003>Uncle
Ed</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Zoe
[mailto:zoecomnena@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 08, 2003 2:33
PM<BR><B>To:</B> WikiEN-l@wikipedia.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [WikiEN-l] The Lir
situation<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P>For some unfathomable reason, people want to allow Lir to come back.
Why, is beyond me. He has been nothing but disruptive since he first
came onto the scene. See the Talk page on [[Iowa State University]] for
Lir's very first comments on Wikipedia, in which he called people who
disagreed with him morons and specifically said that a dean at Iowa State was
a liar for disputing a quote Lir attributed to him. It's also worth
noting that Lir tried to delete the Talk page, but I've restored it so people
can see just what he had to say.</P>
<P>His next forary into collegiality was his attempt to make us believe that
Christopher Columbus's sole reason for visiting America was to take
slaves. We also encountered a long edit war in which Lir insisted that
the article be at [[Cristobal Colon]] (with accent marks I'm not going to try
to reproduce here). He then went into a crusade to rename all places and
people by the names they're known in their native languages, instead of by the
names they're known to English speakers, even though this is the English
wikipedia. He has never made any attempts to be polite, cordial or
cooperative, but insists that only his way can prevail.</P>
<P>When he was finally banned, he went outside the Wikipedia and tried to make
people believe, on his personal blog page and elsewhere, that he was banned
for his politics, not for his personality and inability to cooperate with
others. So then he came back as Vera Cruz, and continued his lack of
cooperation. Even 172, someone who has the same sort of personality as
Lir/Vera Cruz/Adam/Bridget, found him impossible to work with on the [[New
Imperialism]] page, even though at first the two of them were allies against
those of us who wanted to keep the page NPOV and useful.</P>
<P>And now he claims he's repentant and won't behave in the same manner.
I find it hard to believe, but for some reason, the rest of you think he's
reformed. I've had a long night thinking about this. At first, I
felt that if you thought it was more important to have Lir here than me, that
fine, I'd leave and you could have him, and more power to you. But I've
decided that was childish, and I apologize to everybody for saying that.</P>
<P>However ...</P>
<P>If you let Lir back, I'd like to be a sysop. I've avoided asking for
the authority before, even though some people have encouraged me to do
it. But I know that Lir will be as disruptive as before, and I want to
be able to deal with him. I promise I will be on my best behavior, and
will not act abruptly. If you grant me this authority, then I'll go
along with the odd request that Lir be allowed to come back. But if he
continues to disrupt, and people don't step in to get rid of him for good,
then I do swear I will leave, and I'm not just blowing smoke this time.</P>
<P>Zoe</P>
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