[WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Leadership (was NY Times article on gender gap in Wikipedia contributors} - repost

[Fred Bauder]

> Carcharoth, we evidently edit entirely different wikis.
>
>>"You may get something done in the short term, but you end up not
>>building in infrastructure and culture for the future. Quick fixes to
>>problems don't scale. You need long-term, sustainable systems that
>>work. A bullheaded quick fix might look good, but a few years later
>>you find that the problem has come back and got worse."
>
> What "quick fixes"??? The problem is that nothing gets done short or long
> term. My approach doesn't produce "quick fixes" for the impatient, I have
> been at some of the issues patiently for years and getting nothing done,
> or
> little and only be attrition. Perhaps an aggressive approach seldom
> works,
> but the opposite of civil patience shows no sign of working any better.
>
> You are right, you /should/ be able to demonstrate that civil patience is
> more productive than bullheadedness, the problem is that the evidence is
> at
> best neutral.

If you've been at something for years, people do not agree with your
approach. Not with your method necessarily, but with whatever you are
trying to do.

Everybody loses a debate from time to time, but after bringing something
up over and over you should assume others understand the issue but don't
agree.

Fred