[WikiEN-l] So what does Flagged Revs feel like?

[The Cunctator]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 6:20 AM, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you want to know how Flagged Revisions feels from an unprivileged
> > position, go to Wikinews and fix typos. I just did this on
> >
> >
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Geelong_win_2009_Australian_Football_League_Grand_Final
> > - check the history. I'm not an admin or reviewer on en:wn.
> >
> > What did it feel like? Curiously unsatisfying. The fix not going live
> > immediately left me wondering just when it would - five minutes/? An
> > hour? A day? It felt nothing like editing a wiki - it felt like I'd
> > submitted a form to a completely opaque bureaucracy for review at
> > their leisure.
>
>
> UI fail.
>
> There is no reason for you to know or care that your edit isn't being
> displayed to the general public.  It's being displayed to you, it's
> being displayed to all the other editors, it's being displayed to
> anons who click a link to see the latest.
>
> It's our own damn fault for making the UI say the equivalent of "NOW
> YOU MUST WAIT WHILE OUR TRIBE OF ELDERS SCRUTINIZES YOUR PATHETIC
> EDIT" …  we don't have to do it this way, and we shouldn't do it this
> way.
>
> The process can and should be made mostly invisible to casual editors.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Surreptitiousness
> <surreptitious.wikipedian at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > edits, and they don't get checked in greater detail.  Looking at it,
> > it's entirely plausible we're going to have people from all over the
> > world examining edits outside their context. That's going to mean things
> > will get missed, isn't it?  Not saying it isn't any better than the
> > current model, but at least with the current model someone will not
> > assume something is good since they will know it hasn't been checked.
>
> The way I see it — What this is about is two fold:
> Right now an edit to an article can often go hours before someone
> experienced with editing takes a look at it. During that time the
> completely unscrutinized edit is displayed to the world. The flagging
> changes the failure mode: We display an older edition when review gets
> missed.
>
>
Yes, the evils of the unscrutinized edit.