[WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

[Emily Monroe]

> For how long could I do this before I get blocked?
Quite a long time, if at all, I'm afraid. You would probably get a  
WQA, RFC, and an arbitration case justifying your actions long after  
there's any discussion of blocking you. More than likely, you'd be  
banned from new page patrolling, and blocked when you don't follow  
that ban if it gets to ARBCOM.

> How many could I scare away?
Many new people, and a few oldsters, as well.

>  When you come across an article wrongly tagged for speedy deletinon  
> or prod, do you check up on the user who tagged it?
As a non-admin new page patroller, I wish more admins did just as you  
have suggested above. That way I am more likely to learn from my  
mistakes.

> Of course an article created a minute ago is being actively worked on.
That's almost always true, but every so often it isn't. If the above  
isn't true, it's usually made by a school kid, or someone "in the  
know" of what's considered to be courteous enough to publish their  
article when the article is done.

> Yes there is {{Hangon}} but how would a newcomer know about that,  
> and why should they?
Is there any way to make it more blatant about what to do when your  
article has been tagged for speedy deletion?

> If this is technically difficult then NPP should be modified.

Yes, this is technically difficult, and it would be technically  
difficult for NPP to be anything else than other what it is,  
unfortunately. It would be hard for a bot to be accurate in knowing  
what is an attack page, and what isn't, what is a copyvio and what is  
in the public domain, etc. and to hide any other article for an hour.  
I really can't think of any other way NPP could be modified.

Emily
On Sep 18, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Apoc 2400 wrote:

> I think most of us on this list treat newbies fairly well. Now what  
> about
> the people that showed up a few months ago, never contributed much,  
> and
> spend their time biting newbies?
>
> Let's say I register a new account right now. I go to new page  
> patrol and
> start indiscriminately deletion-tagging any article by an  
> inexperienced
> user. If they ask me about it, I reply with an impersonal but  
> perfectly
> polite note referring them to WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:OR and WP:CIV while  
> ignoring
> anything they say. For how long could I do this before I get  
> blocked? How
> many could I scare away?
>
> A question for the admins here: When you come across an article  
> wrongly
> tagged for speedy deletinon or prod, do you check up on the user who  
> tagged
> it? What do you do if their deletion tagging is no more accurate than
> picking new articles at random?
>
> This discussion is about biting newbies in general, but I focused on
> deletion for personal reasons. I know the rules well, but I have had  
> to
> fight deletions too. Asahi Kasei, one of largest chemical companies  
> in Japan
> was tagged for deletion at least twice. When I am working on an  
> article I
> often discover related subject lacking articles, so I create quick  
> stubs for
> reference and later expansion. Very often they get tagged for  
> deletion. They
> are on perfectly notable subject, so I can save the articles, but I  
> would
> rather spend my time working on the main article.
>
> The issues we discuss in this thread go deep, but here is one change  
> that
> would help a lot:
> * Articles should not be tagged for deletion two minutes after  
> creation for
> not asserting notability. Yes there is {{Hangon}} but how would a  
> newcomer
> know about that, and why should they? Of course an article created a  
> minute
> ago is being actively worked on. If it's not time critical (attack  
> pages,
> copyvios) no tagging should happen the first hour. If this is  
> technically
> difficult then NPP should be modified.
>
> /Apoc2400
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