[WikiEN-l] Voting and "!voting", what's the difference?

[Emily Monroe]

> A true consensus requires everyone to agree (or, at least, not  
> object).

You're right.

> That is why things like RFA work on "rough consensus", which  
> actually just means a vote.

See, my vision of "rough consensus" is something like "If you  
eliminate people who !vote without leaving any comment to debate upon,  
and who hasn't participate in the debate elsewhere, or who do  
something like WP:WHYNOT, WP:NOTNOW, or WP:I[DON'T]LIKEIT what do you  
get?" I guess this would be a vote in a sense, albeit a very skewed one.

Emily

On Aug 27, 2009, at 8:28 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:

> 2009/8/28 Tony Sidaway <tonysidaway at gmail.com>:
>> On 8/28/09, Al Tally <majorly.wiki at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Polling and voting is a good way to see what people think without  
>>> having to
>>> wade through a mass of comments.
>>
>> If you can't be bothered to engage in discussion, I agree that voting
>> or "!voting" is the way to go.
>>
>> You can't build consensus by polling or "!polling".  You can't make a
>> decision based on consensus if you can't be bothered to read.
>
> You can't make a decision based on consensus when there are dozens of
> interested parties, full stop. A true consensus requires everyone to
> agree (or, at least, not object). That just isn't going to happen for
> even vaguely controversial issues if there are dozens of people. That
> is why things like RFA work on "rough consensus", which actually just
> means a vote.
>
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