[WikiEN-l] Civility poll results

[Ray Saintonge]

Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/8/11 Marc Riddell:
>   
>> on 8/11/09 4:13 PM, George Herbert at  wrote
>>> I am still reviewing the statistics and sum total comments, but some
>>> takeaways I already have -
>>>
>>> 0. It's a problem.
>>> 1. We're not enforcing consistently at all, and that's hurting us.
>>> 2. We're BITEing new users.
>>>       
>> Is anyone really surprised at this? On this very List people are constantly
>> bragging about how wonderful Wikipedia is; focusing exclusively on how big
>> it is. Yet completely ignoring how screwed up the culture is. It's like a
>> company's media people pushing how good their product is, and how big their
>> company is, and completely avoiding how poorly their workers are treated -
>> while those in the executive suite are focused on trying to persuade people
>> to invest money in them. Arrogance without wisdom is hubris. This is a
>> formula for disaster.
>>     
> Wikipedia is a project and a community but, above all, it is an
> encyclopaedia. It is an encyclopaedia that a lot of people find very
> useful. Our system is working. There is certainly room for
> improvement, but I don't see this disaster you speak of.
>
>   
You are confusing ends and means. Yes Wikipedia is the object that we 
are trying to put together.  That is the end.

Matters relating to community, civility and generally how we get to that 
end all have to do with means.

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