[WikiEN-l] Civility poll results

[Carcharoth]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Marc Riddell<michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Marc Riddell<michaeldavid86 at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2009/8/12 Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> Try evasive.
>>>>
>>> on 8/12/09 5:02 AM, David Gerard at dgerard at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's good to see you assuming good faith and setting an example.
>>>>
>>> "Assume good faith" in this Project has come to mean "Don't ask questions".
>>> That era is finally over.
>
> on 8/12/09 8:58 AM, Carcharoth at carcharothwp at googlemail.com wrote:
>>
>> That era never existed. There have always been people prepared to ask
>> difficult questions and demand answers. It is actually possibly to ask
>> such questions while still assuming good faith. It is also possible to
>> avoid asking such questions and still assume bad faith by your
>> actions. In other words, your interpretation of "assume good faith" or
>> what it has meant in the past, is overly simplistic.
>>
>> A fuller description of the realities of AGF is here:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith
>>
> Think about it, Carcharoth, you are referencing the very thing I am
> challenging.

It was a link to ensure that people here had actually read the current
page. Why do you think I was referencing it?

> More to the point of this thread, what do you think about the condition of
> the Project's culture as far as how people are being treated is concerned?

It varies depending on where in the project you are active and who you
are interacting with. I don't think you can generalise completely
here. I've always thought there has been a strong undercurrent of
BITE-y behaviour at controversial pages, a general lack of leadership
and improvement in some controversial areas, a lack of learning
lessons from the successes, some elements of OWN-ership in
out-of-the-way places, and too much overt politics and personal
grudges being played out in something akin to a soap opera at times.
But I also think people miss the productive areas and focus on the
high-profile areas where things are less ideal. A kind of selection
bias - remembering the bad stuff and forgetting the good stuff. In
many cases, I think too many people try and get involved, and things
deteriorate from there.

Carcharoth