---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: SlimVirgin slimvirgin@gmail.com Date: 27 Nov 2007 20:06 Subject: (offlist) Re: [WikiEN-l] Missed Opportunities to have avoided the Durova Case To: David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com
David, would you or one of the other moderators please forward this reply to the mailing list?
Sarah
From: Christiano Moreschi moreschiwikiman@hotmail.co.uk Date: Nov 27, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Missed Opportunities to have avoided the Durova Case To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Oh? I remain to be convinced. Why, then, did Durova think it quite alright to post her evidence to !! to this list? Why do we have good people, like Krimpet, being attacked on this mailing list? Why do we have two of our finest, Thatcher131 and Alison (now a CU), signing up to this list and then rapidly unsubscribing when they find it wasn't, after all, that it was cooked up to be. In fact, Alison memorably described it as chock-full of "bitterness, anger and wikipolitics". Oh dear.
How do you know Alison said this? Are you aware that she has stated clearly she was not a member of the list?
And why, then, did we think it quite alright to set up a bastard child to wpcyberstalking, wpinvestigations-1? This little list I know quite a lot about - I've seen some truly bizarre and quite terrifying conversations, including some posts that make you wonder how on earth something like the block of !! didn't happen a lot earlier. Sockpuppet paranoia, investigation obsession, weird suggestions for the CUs galore - it's got the lot, baby. In fact, Thatcher summed this wretched list up very nicely: "...unhelpful and possible dangerous development. Blocks and such should be discussed and documented on Wiki whenever possible. In extraordinary circumstances evidence may need to be kept private, but those cases should be dealt with by Arbcom, who were elected for that purpose, rather than a group of self-selected investigators who may lack proper perspective."
Wikipedia is not a MMORG for SlimVirgin to play webmaster to.
Moreschi, whoever your informant is, they're not giving you an accurate picture. First, I had almost nothing to do with the investigations list and have virtually no knowledge of it. My recollection is that I posted to it once, and that was recently to say I had no interest in it. If it was more than once, it wasn't very much more. And your description of the cyberstalking discussion group is just plain wrong.
I'd appreciate it if you'd quit with the SlimVirgin's-to-blame-for-everything meme that certain individuals love to promote. Its only effect is to muddy the issues you're trying to clarify, so it's in no-one's interests, except for the people who grab any opportunity to attack me. I hope you're not playing to that gallery.
I'm not a subscriber to this list, so if anyone wants me to read replies, please cc me.
Sarah