On 4/22/07, Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/22/07, Cascadia <cascadia(a)privatenoc.com> wrote:
First, Ryulong failed to follow policy. He did
not assume good faith,
nor
did he follow WP:SOCK. He arbitrarily made up his
mind that these socks
were
the same person, and they were trolling (neither
of which was the case
and
should have been evident). On top of this, he
blocked the socks with
autoblock enabled, effectively giving the editors an ultimatum: Out
themselves or quit the discussion.
Ryulong then left, leaving his actions in place and having other admins
clean up the mess. This wasn't just a simple mistake as everyone would
like
to believe. This was a serious issue. Too often
on Wikipedia admins feel
they can make such mistakes and everything will be OK when they
appologize.
The action should never have taken place, and the
editors and admins
involved made that quite evident.
No, I wouldn't call for someone from being banned from editing for
breaking
a pages formatting, but then again, this is a
poor comparison. Breaking
a
pages formatting has no chance of hurting another
iditor, Ryulong's did
have
that chance (depending on who you ask, the risk
would be less or
greater).
Admins need to take responsibility for their actions and realize that
their
adminship is not an ammunity, and "I'm
sorry" is not a fix all, and
should
> never be treated as such by anyone.
>
> -Cascadia
>
But it sure goes a long way. One of my favorite editors is a guy who called
me a "hostile editor" the first time I interacted with him. Sadly, he just
left Wikipedia, and was one of the best at doing careful research for BLPs,
and he was willing to monitor and edit anyone, no matter how obscure, and no
matter the hostile interference of people using Wikipedia for their own
interests on the BLP. I don't remember if we actually apologized to each
other, but we both certainly considered the article and Wikipedia more
important than our differences--if anyone apoligized first, though, it was
probably him.
KP
>And, (get this) they might actually have a place
for editors, to talk
>to other editors, about *random /human/ stuff*!
>
> Ah, just my imagination...
>
> No, the general idea would just be a place where people can talk about
> their lives, and connect on a personal level. Kind of like a coffee
> lounge of sorts...
Are you people teasing me, or what? :-)
If you are, nice job ;-)
If not, where do we start?
Marc Riddell
There already are millions of such places, they're called restaurants,
parks, beaches, jungles, churches, birthday parties, protest marches, buses,
airplanes, living rooms, cruise ships, sidewalks.... Today I spoke with
people over the telephone, at the graveyard, in the grocery store, at the
cafe....
KP