On May 24, 2006, at 12:21 AM, abu hamza wrote:
well lets get ther record straight.
The harold shipman page already stated he was jewish, well before i
came
along. I put it back in, after it was removed with no explanation
(first
time). I didn't add it.
It was then removed repeatedly.
Usually, one is (a) either supposed to get the hint and stop adding
it back in, or (b) attempt to discuss the issue instead if just
revert warring over it.
the few references that are available (not usable in
wikipedia)
such as
letters to newspapers on websites ( i have given the link here
already)
state he was jewish as his mother was a jewish asylum seeker.
If the only references available aren't usable in Wikipedia, then the
information in question is not verifiable and should not be included
in Wikipedia.
Whether it should be included on his page is
debatable, because you
would
then have to go through all the pages where criminal and muslim are
put
together and ban the editor of that page indefinately.
No, not at all. First off, if you look at pages like [[John Allen
Muhammed]], there's nothing in the lead paragraph (which is where you
kept putting it in the Shipman article) indicating that he is Muslim.
Secondly, it is a verifiable fact that John Muhammed is Muslim. It is
not verifiable fact that Harold Shipman is Jewish or is of Jewish
ancestry.
Thankfully there is NO WIKIPEDIA policy that states
this is grounds
for an
indefinate ban???
Wikipedia is not a corporate bureaucracy operating solely by written
procedures and policies. There's a consensus of administrators to
block your account indefinitely. That's enough.
The issue here was not my obsession with putting it
back in, but
someones
obsession with taking it out.
It takes two to edit war. Besides, there's a consensus between
multiple parties to take it out. You're the only one obsessed with
keeping it in.
--
Philip L. Welch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Philwelch